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I’m curious who the BB goat player is?

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Date: 5/30/2025 2:19:36 AM
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1st Player to reach +170 STH in the BB game 99,99% secure.

Amil is special he have 129 STH at 21 and stomp U21 and NT

In my team is to be difficult to pay 292.000$ of salary if i don't have a lot of money in the bank is for this reason that amil can't play in a big teams to play B3 finals or something. Bad economy for me.

My intention was do the best Spanish player in the history in his position.

He's training with all the staff full max (Palmieri the same) and at the age of 28 the player is do it.

https://imgur.com/a/9ispHXj

Enjoy

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Date: 5/30/2025 5:17:10 AM
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Oh don't get me wrong, Amill is definitely among the best players to ever live, there's no doubt about that
And his international career is amazing
And I understand completely that it ain't easy to have a 300k player on your team, especially in a competitive league like the ACB.

However for the GOAT debate I think you don't need just the skills but you need the accolades too and unfortunately (for good reasons too) Amill never won much

It's a bit like the BOAT vs GOAT debate
BOAT = Best Of All Time
GOAT = Greatest Of All Time

Is Amill the BOAT? Maybe
Is he the GOAT? Mmh.. i personally don't think so

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Date: 5/30/2025 7:38:08 AM
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The only problem with Amill is his manager Of course I'm joking...

Anyway I thought about your ranking and imo that's not the way to determine who the GOAT is. I mean, of course trophies are a huge part in the conversation, but does that mean 5k salary players in B3 champs teams, are better than Amill, for example? Because there are a lot of players with enormous accolades with TSP60 or lower

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Date: 5/30/2025 8:32:45 AM
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Ahahah unfortunately yes
BB versions of Robert Horry would be massively rewarded by this system

But that doesn't mean they're better cause has i previously mentioned it's not the Boat-debate, but the Goat-debate and I would argue that accolades are a massively important part in the second one and almost irrelevant in the first one.

With that being said you could multiply the GOAT INDEX by a "Skill Factor"... for example TSP / 100
So in Amill case you'd have:
46'600 x ( 171 / 100 ) = 79'686
This would limit cases of bad players with a lot of trophies being high on the list

(2284837), for example.. won 4 B3 (s6, s7, s8, s9), like 11 titles (9 top tier and 2 low division ones) and 7 cups, yet he has no appearance for the Spanish NT.
His GOAT INDEX score is 83'600
If we adjust it by "Skill factor", assuming he was what? a 90tsp? That would make his adjusted score 75'240.. hence less than Amill

But realistically the GOAT has both Club level and NT level accolades that I don't think a random bench player can reach

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Date: 6/1/2025 11:11:57 AM
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Ahahahah daaam ahah

He's like the Jack Taylor of BB 😂
(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Taylor_(basketball))

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Date: 6/2/2025 11:22:38 AM
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Incredibly ridiculous scorer, MY GOD

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Date: 6/3/2025 4:34:31 AM
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Impressive...

...but only played 1 NT game in his career!

Can he even be considered in the goat conversation if he didn't even represent his country in the highest possible competition...?

I mean, this guy was awesome so why wasn't he playing in the NT? He was an impressive U21 NT player though...

...just putting it out there.

EDIT: On closer inspection, he certainly can't be included in the conversation despite his impressive scoring. He played in lower leagues.



Last edited by MrJ at 6/3/2025 4:37:01 AM

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Date: 6/3/2025 12:05:24 PM
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An offensive beast who doesn't know what defense means. :D

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Date: 6/7/2025 12:56:04 PM
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The problem is still there, nobody considers players like Horry in the so-called GOAT debate, and for good reason. He wouldn't be spared a passing thought even if he won 10+ titles.

That, i feel would be an easy fix.. just say that you need to have played x amount of games in the national team or something like that
Viniambres has 0, so it's as if he didn't exist

Plus realistically the greatest not only have B3 wins, they also won a lot at international level, which as you can see is just as "valuable" as a B3 win.
Hence with although Viniambres' 75'240 is a great value, it's still 20k lower than Dinghui's 95'500.
And Viniambres basically won everything he could have won at club level, I'm not sure you'll find someone with more than:
9 Top Division titles (+3 final loses)
7 Cup wins (+2 final loses)
4 B3 wins (+1 final lost)

Your GOAT index should definitely include individual stats, and not TSP.

Individual stats are just as flawed if not more So definitely not a parameter to be used... plus if their stats were that good, they would have won MVPs, which btw are one of the factors...



In other news... Italy's OG Virgilio Mazzurana is the second highest Goat Index I've found at 90'900
And the polish goat Roman Ciechowicz isn't too far off the top 3 either with his 84'200

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