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Hi,

i've played against one of the weakest teams in my league (1166058), and my team had a very terrible offensive game. why is that? We've had the lousiest scoring percentage ever. By watching an excerpt of the first half, i've notices that many shots were taken at the end of the shot clock. why did it happen, I don't think he has very good defenders - the matchup ratings indicates that...

Almost lose? You won by 13. It's not like you had to take him into overtime and only won at the last second.

First: Matchup ratings. Yes, in almost every position (except center) you completely smashed his ratings. But if you look at the team ratings, you weren't exactly leaps and bounds above him. Your inside scoring was a mere level above his inside defense, and your perimeter defense was only two levels above his outside scoring. Worse, your offensive flow was only one level above his (work on your handling & passing).

Second: Your team fouled him more than he fouled you, and he shot really well from the line. Your team also turned the ball over more (handling & passing). His team shot slightly better from 3pt range, and most other stats were pretty even.

What I think this comes down to is lack of tactics to play to your strengths as a team. Had you played Push the Ball or perhaps even Run & Gun, you may have seen a much larger margin of victory.

But, in the end, you won, right? Take the win. Oh, and in case I haven't mentioned it, work on your handling & passing.

Thanks a lot for the detailed reply and for the encouragement...
You're right, my passing and handling must be improved, but it didn't bother me getting greater wins on much better teams, even away.
Winning is important, but I was disappointed with this match especially because of the lousy shooting. I usually get around 45% especially at home.
I'll try to push the ball on my next match.

Do you think a team with bad passing and handling should play faster or slower (high vs low pace)?

Do you think these two shortcomings requires contradicting reactions, i.e., maybe bad passing forces the team to play slower (players think more before they pass) but this causes them to hold the ball more which requires good handling?

thanks again,

yaniv

You asked my opinion, so don't take this as gospel as I really don't know for certain.

I believe it has been suggested that the longer a team waits before shooting, the more passes they attempt trying to get a great shot opportunity. If this is true, it seems viable that a team with dodgy passing/handling would be best suited to get rid of the ball as soon as possible. The theory also extends to the defenses you play against; i.e., the concept behind Full Court Press is that forcing the opponent to pass more will lead to more turnovers. If that is true, then I'd also stay away from playing an offense like Patient with poor passing/handling.

I would test this out in a scrimmage with guys that can shoot well but can't even pass gas, playing something like Run & Gun. It may be interesting research for the community at large.

Thanks a lot

I'll try run and gun it on Saturday's league match (I'm playing a weak team)

Good luck to you.

Let us know how it works out, won't you?

ofcourse

maybe an other thing to think about.
As I understand it the game engine looks for shotoportunities, the fact that your players took so long to get a shot (many times near the shot clock) is something I don't understand (I also didn't look at your match and tactics (maybe you played patient?, dunno).
What I do understand is that once the chance for a shot arises, it is taken by the player, and then a calculation is made to see if he scores. If you are better, if you player is better, then lets say you should roll a 4 or more on a 20 sided die in order to score, 3 or less, and the defence stops you. Now the more rolls you make, to more likely it will get that you average out on making 17 out of 20 shots, BUT every time the die needs to be roled, and believe me, I can roll 3 or less prety often with a 20sided die...
My point is, if you take an overall of all matches over a whole season, it will be prety close to the numbers you deserve to get, but 1 game can always go wrong in one way or another...
If you keep being puzzled by your results, you should start thinking about solutions, if it only hapens once in a season, I don't think you're doing anything wrong...

Thanks for your answer.
I've played base offense on that match.
The opponent was the worst human team on my league, which even gets kicked by the worst bots (hope he doesn't reads this...).
That is why I started this thread, as my team usually scores much better against much better teams.

Looks like the Run & Gun worked pretty well. You shot nearly 46% from the field, and over 38% from 3-pt range (an improvement over the previous 35% from the field and <17% from 3pt range). However, you did match up against an opponent with complete crap perimeter defense, which always helps.

Yea, he does have a very bad perimeter defense.
I was also very happy that my players took 104 shots instead of the 80 in the last game, and the 8 TOs.
I wanted to send an update on my findings after my important match tomorrow against the league leader, I plan to play Push the Ball (hope he won't have time to read this...).
This would give us a much better indication regarding the influence of higher pace for teams with low offensive flow, like my team.