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I hope a developer will answer this question, because I am sick and tired off hearing the same useless answers as always.

and before anyone even attempts to suggest this belongs in the "why did l loose this thread", it doesnt belong there, because I knew I wouldnt stand a chance. I am just trying to understand the GE and why certain things happen as they do, even if they never would happen in real life basketball...

I am playing look inside as an offense, and my PG has NO!!!! inside skills what so ever, but he had 8 (mostly inside) shots, off course almost missed them all, and my PF missed like 6 and watching the game they were all long range shots, why this happens I really dont understand... In a real basketball game with a look inside tactic a PG wouldnt shoot that often and a PF wouldnt shoot so many long ranged shots... I wonder whether this will be ever fixed and more importantly if it is fixable...

at the end off the game my PG has 1-11 shots and my player that played PF had 3-10' shots (most shots were jump shots, which in my opinion dont make sense in a look inside offense)... I know that in soccer someone that cant kick a penalty or a free kick never would shoot one, why does it happen in this game?

another thing... I am 14 points behing with like 5 minutes left to play. Why is my best BIG on the bench and his players are all playing??

Last edited by Astragoth at 9/1/2009 3:39:51 PM

why cant people READ the full message? i almost would say this is a generated message by a bot or someone that doesnt understand english properly. Or someone that doesnt take time to read the full message, and than answers. Another total useless and standarised response. This is why I asked a developer to answer.

I DIDNT ASKY WHY I LOST, because as I said in my message I totally expected to loose.

I asked why my PG shoots almost all the time inside shots when he has no skill, is a pure PG and he is playing on the PG position, why my player with decent inside skills shoots almost all the time jump shots instead off inside shots... I watched the whole game, if my PG misses long ranged shots fair enough, if my inside guy misses inside shots fair enough, but for my PG they were all drives and inside shots and my other player playing as PF had jump shots all the time.

Chris Bosh wouldnt play as a PG and continuesly shoot 3 pointers, so why are my players shooting from the wrong positions?

If you are european and know anything about football, I will give you a football example. If a team plays a lower league team and they are only playing at half their strength, in no way, someone with no free kick skill or penalty skill would take the free kicks or penalties.

now answer me why does this happen in BB GE???

Last edited by Astragoth at 9/2/2009 8:39:25 AM

because its not just your players absolute skill that is important in determining who took the shots, the skills of the defenders matter as well. Driving is also important in determining how many inside shots guards create.

Your PG took so many shots because when the computer simulation program that ran its complicated series of probabilities the resultant choice happened to be the one that corresponded to your PG shooting. Do you understand the basics of the GE? If you do, then you wouldn't be asking. Each "possession" is a series of mathematical calculations that take a number of factors into account, some of them being combinations of offensive skills vs. defensive skill, tactic, experience, time of game, time left on shot clock, team enthusiasm, score, random factor, and stamina.
If you played look inside in the NBA and you were the center of your team and Wilt Chamberlain was the opposing center, do you think you would shoot very often? OR would you perhaps drift out to the three pont line and stand around hoping that your point guard would take his man to the hole so you didn't have to get abused by Wilt the Stilt? Or perhaps your l PG would dribble the clock down and pass it to your PF who would lob up some horrible brick from 20 feet. Well, the same thing can and does occur here in BB, where a 6th grade boys team could play against the LA Lakers.
Also, this game is not real life. It is a very complicated and realistic simulation but it will never and could never be anything like a real game of basketball. That is the first thing you should understand. If you are fighting that one, you are going to be banging your head into a fiberglass backboard forever.

Your soccer example is inappropriate. A set piece in soccer is never found in basketball. The game is always fluid, even in a half-court set offense. As such, there are not the same specialists as the free kick taker in soccer.In, say, an FA cup game, you WOULD find Rio Ferdinand firing a ridiculous half-volley from 30 yards that goes 20 yards wide and 20 yards high in a agame against Scunthorpe. Also, in a huge mismatch in basketball you DO see big men doing all sorts of idiotic guard impersonations and guards trying to post up etc.

If you play look inside and have poor inside palyers, you will see lots of strange shots because while the players are trying to get the ball inside, the inside guys can't get anything going. AND, in the rules (did you read those?) it says that your coach will change up tactics if your tactic isn't working.

Hope that helps.

i dont understand the basics off the GE. simply because everytime when I ask questions about the game engine, i get answers like,

"your stamina must be bad"

"the other team was better"

or "you lost because the other team is better"

so from that I am sure alot off other people dont understand the GE either. I do want to learn more about the GE so I keep asking until I have a better understanding off the GE or until I know that the game will never be really realistic.
I have said in the past before, as long as the best team wins, I am happy with the result, but there is no point watching a game live when it isnt realistic.

In case off your NBA sample, (let me state I am not a basketball pro, but I have seen enough games to be able to have my opinion). I understand where you are coming from with your Wilt Chamberlain example, however if you have this problem, that you cant beat the center, you can tell me many things, but the worst player on the field shooting from a certain position wouldnt be shooting. You try and find the second best option, than the third best etc etc... My PG shooting from the inside is like the 100000 option left. However, I could imagine that my PG, since he is the playmaker, has the ball all the time, he cant pass the ball and has to shoot. In that case, fair enough. However, this wouldnt explain my PF shooting jump shots all the time.

Reading your quote

Also, this game is not real life. It is a very complicated and realistic simulation but it will never and could never be anything like a real game of basketball. That is the first thing you should understand. If you are fighting that one, you are going to be banging your head into a fiberglass backboard forever.

is the answer I was looking for and something I can work with. Playing a game like this you want to understand the GE as best as you can and make it your advantage. However, f there is no point in trying to understand it properly because it isnt very realistic and the game is just decided running some formulas, as I said earlier in my post, I can live with that.

You are right, basketball is a fluent game, and my example in the football isnt. And indeed ferdinand might shoot against scunthorpe. It doesnt take away the fact that over all he would perhaps should once a season from distance and he certainly wouldnt shoot against teams in the same league. I also can understand your example off a huge mismatch in basketball players do weird things, but that is where a coach steps in and stops players. I think I missed about 12 shots due to these 2 players shooting from the wrong position. No coach, whether it is in the NBA or any amateur league would allow that to happen.

However, let me repeat myself, if I am expecting too much realism from the GE, just say so, and I accept that. Until than, excuse me for trying to understand the GE and why it responds in the way it does...

Yes i did read the rules, several times. Am I not allowed to still have questions after that? I wondered whether the coach would change tactics in case I picked the wrong one and have asked that before as well. Never got a proper answer. You cleared up my question alot, but left me still with alot off questions. One is, yes I didnt pick the best possible tactics available for my team, however a PG shooting inside shots and a PF shooting jump shots and both not having the appropriate skills doesnt make sense either...

The examples you have given me in some cases make sense, however in many cases dont. Not saying that to argue, but I am using my common sense and some examples just dont make sense. However like I said, if the GE isnt very close to a realistic basketball game, than like I said I will stop trying to understand the GE, stop watching my matches live and accept the result that comes from it.

Last edited by Astragoth at 9/2/2009 10:24:59 AM

One is, yes I didnt pick the best possible tactics available for my team, however a PG shooting inside shots and a PF shooting jump shots and both not having the appropriate skills doesnt make sense either...

I think this conclusionary statement reflects your misunderstanding of the game engine. It reflects that you are considering your PF and PG skills independent of their defender's skill. I think it is actually likely that those were the best options available given the skills of the defenders and the tactical options you selected.

In any case, it is very clear this is not a bug thread, it doesn't belong here. please start a new thread in BB-global.