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From: CitB
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11294.1
Date: 1/2/2008 6:09:59 AM
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is there any way to find out if submitted cheaters got punished?
to check if i was right or just been false?
and what are the punishments? ban etc.?


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11294.2 in reply to 11294.1
Date: 1/2/2008 6:12:44 AM
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No.

User discipline is strictly between the GMs/BBs and the accused.

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11294.3 in reply to 11294.2
Date: 1/2/2008 3:07:39 PM
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i am convinced there are loads still going unpunished...
its not just the blatant 500k for crap players.. there are some very cunning traders who magically have 15 sales that on the outset dont look anything untoward then look closer and oh 14 of them have gone to fellow countrymen.... coincidence ? no way....

it would be nice to keep the messages sent to 'report cheaters' as i often look back to see if any visible punishment....

i know of 2 occasions this past week where i reported and am certain nothing has been done..

the knock on effect also means that the money re-circulates often for the best players on the TL which in turn prevents genuine clubs trying to improve their roster....

what happens then? ive never seen an instance where a team who's just bought a good player with dodgy money is then stripped of the player?

edit - loads = a dozen...!



Edited by Superfly Guy (1/2/2008 3:08:03 PM CET)

Edited by Superfly Guy (1/2/2008 3:50:32 PM CET)

Last edited by Superfly Guy at 1/2/2008 3:50:32 PM

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11294.4 in reply to 11294.3
Date: 1/2/2008 4:47:47 PM
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exactly...


like 5-10 second teams just to buy crap from the mainteam...
they dont even use proxies and stuff you find out coz all the crap-buyers-lower-division-teams from the same country...


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11294.5 in reply to 11294.4
Date: 1/2/2008 5:02:36 PM
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its funny as i normally prefer to confront teams to see if they are genuine before reporting them....

i just got one back (trying to deny his wrongdoing).......he said report me then i said ok and he said stop spamming me!!

ha - comical.....

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11294.6 in reply to 11294.1
Date: 1/2/2008 5:08:01 PM
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i know i might not be making a lot of friends out there and perhaps im even annoying the Mods with a lot of cheat reports but at the end of the day - i was being looked down upon as a Day trader by those crying they couldnt spend as much time on the TL...

i ended up commenting that people like me were policing the TL and weeding out the cheaters.. if not for DTs or people that follow the market all of the cheats and dubious trades would go undetected...

some are clever... some are even supporters....... i dont think we need to know the outcome but to see people continuing to operate suggests that the punishments certainly arent harsh enough...

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11294.7 in reply to 11294.5
Date: 1/2/2008 5:11:06 PM
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I would never confront a team with it, if it is suspicious I report them, it is up to the GMs and BBs to find out if he truly is cheating.
We have not the needed tools by far in order to find out...
Confronting them alarms them and maybe they will find ways to prevent GMs or BBs from finding out if they look for anything after you 'warned'the cheater...

I also won't need to know if the ones I report are sanctioned or not, I don't want to know actually. I don't want to be tempted into whining that I still think he is a cheater after GM or BB investigated and found him not guilty. ;)

They are not your friends; they dispise you. I am the only one you can count on. Trust me.
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11294.8 in reply to 11294.7
Date: 1/2/2008 5:15:48 PM
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yeah the confrontation was more out of annoyance and frustration....

but with the limited tools we have if we can sniff them out then a warning for the team in question to come up with an elaborate excuse shouldnt be enough to save them...

you yourself are a trader or have been and i would suspect we think along the same lines when we see peoples transfer history / teams sold to and on the TL itself when you are considering making a bid you know what looks right versus what looks fishy....

when you are gazumped by a team who has blatantly accumalated the money in a dubious fashion then you will feel them same when you see that player on their roster and their Transfer history continuing without any real reprucussion...

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11294.9 in reply to 11294.8
Date: 1/2/2008 5:26:05 PM
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indeed.
And once in a while I still try to trade, but find it rather hard lately. So I don't try it that often anymore. At this time I try to get my number of players down!
Once I succesfully sell some more players (most of which I'm training now to be able to make profit out of them) I will buy some new ones.

Most cheaters will indeed have no way back once they are reported, but there might be some carefull teams out there that might only get busted if they are caught unaware. But to start with those will be very hard for us to spot as well.

So far I never had a feeling like: I realy need THAT player now, it's always like: well, he's getting to high, another one like him will pass by soon. If you notice the one outbidding you is probably a cheater, report him and chances are good he won't ever bid against anyone anymore... no need to put any more effort into them. that's my way...
:)

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11294.10 in reply to 11294.9
Date: 1/2/2008 5:35:19 PM
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well then we only differ on the amount of players we have on our rosters..as if i had your amount of players yes i wouldnt be that bothered about missing out here and there

i keep a very small squad as i dont see any reason to have 13-15 players...i often play my 2 league games and then find myself with only 2-3 players to field for the scrimmage... so i oftern look to pick up 1-2 people (when financially viable) to include in scrimmage and step trade if i still have a training space available...

for a lot of teams now also their arent many players per week that can actually improve your team on the TL so when 1 does come by and you are outbid by a cheater then thats your week gone...(this week i estimate only 4-5 players wouldve walked into my side outside the C position)

also with the draft picks arriving soon (regardless of the av. quality) this will boost rosters and flood market with more potential signings...


From: CitB
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11294.11 in reply to 11294.9
Date: 1/2/2008 5:40:51 PM
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i just check the transfer list to find some good trades and than i see those 200k bids on player with less than 2k salary, check the transfers of those teams and see that they...
whatever at least now i know that im not the only one...