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Date: 9/23/2009 12:15:29 PM
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Ok, an interesting subject came up in Canada and I wanted to see the opinions of some more experienced users. My question is this:

-Does every level of increase in a skill have the same impact for your team? Or are there diminishing returns the higher that you go?

The clearest example I can think of where one level is not one level is free throws. From atrocious to pitiful you go from about 0% to 40% in FT%. Every level after that you get considerable less of an increase.

I also have a feeling that stamina is similar to free throws - in that atrocious to pitiful offers the most benefit, with less benefit the higher you train it. I have no solid evidence of that, though. Can anyone confirm/disprove that?

What about the other skills?

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The example is not quite good, since FT is about the only skill which works by itself, and not relative to other skills. So a rise of, say Rebounding, by 1 level is only meaningful if the opposition is exactly identical. Otherwise, you should be looking at the difference in skill levels between your team and your opponent.


That doesn't mean you can't still have this discussion, just in another way. For example, if I give you levels of player vs player for inside shot vs inside d.

-Is it better to be tremendous vs sensational OR inept vs awful (both 1 level difference of skill)?

Also, one model for stamina could see it working similar to FTs. By this, I mean that a player will tire at x speed with atrocious stamina but y speed with respectable stamina. Is the progression linear for each level up of stamina? Or non-linear like it is for free throws?

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That's absolutely valid. I am just making sure we're asking the right questions.


But you still didn't tell me what you think. ;-)

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-Is it better to be tremendous vs sensational OR inept vs awful (both 1 level difference of skill)?



It is not better. I would say is the same, except for Rebounds where (tremendous - sensational) should be better for the one with tremendous...

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I think that the level inpact graph isen't linear but rather looks like a sigmoidal curve (like an S) with high inpact increase in early and mid levels which flatens out more and more in the end.

It seems clear to me that a +20 JS Isn't that much better than 15 JS when both players have exact levels on the other skills. (Exept stamina and FT most likely)

However, It is when the "right" skills are combined when it seems possible to get an synergy effect which increases the players overall abillity. Of course it also depends on the opposition, game shape etc.

This is just my theory and I can not prove anything ;)

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i noticed that players with high passing and low handling seems to get more assists when compare to a player who have balanced passing and handling.

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Yes, high in passing would assist your teammates more highly than a low passing lv. Don't sure on how much handling improvs a players ability to make a good pass...

What I mean is that skill lv's from approx. 2-14 seems to give a higher stat increase than an increase in lv 15 to a 16 stat. At those high lv's the procentage dosen't increase as much as the low and mid lv bumps.

How was the TO% for each case?

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I think that the level inpact graph isen't linear but rather looks like a sigmoidal curve (like an S) with high inpact increase in early and mid levels which flatens out more and more in the end.

It seems clear to me that a +20 JS Isn't that much better than 15 JS when both players have exact levels on the other skills. (Exept stamina and FT most likely)

However, It is when the "right" skills are combined when it seems possible to get an synergy effect which increases the players overall abillity. Of course it also depends on the opposition, game shape etc.

This is just my theory and I can not prove anything ;)


I think +20 JS is actually better than 15 JS. The thing to consider here are the differences compared to defensive match-ups. For example, in this case, 15 JS against 9 OD would be very good; +20 JS against 9 OD will be a kind of better or equaly effective as the case with 15 JS. BUT, 15 JS against 16 OD is not a good deal while +20 JS against 16 OD would be very good.

For me, every level of difference counts equally, but I'm always having in mine the opposition. If, in the same example, you train your JS to 20+ and the best defender of your legaue is 14; you are not doing the most effective training (assuming of course, league is your primarly goal). But, this a whole different level of analysis.

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