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11410.1
Date: 1/3/2008 4:13:17 PM
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So I got to thinking about how much I don't know about height in BB, and how people only talk about it in terms of traning, so how much does it really matter? For instance, they say two players with the same rebounding skill will rebound just as well regardless of height. Does this also count for shooting and defending?

For instance, say I have a 6'10 defender and a 6'6 defender, both with the same defense. If his matchup is also 6'6, would the 6'10 defender do any better against him?

Same question for offense. If I have an abnormally tall guard, like 6'10, and he's being defended by a guy who's only 6'0, will that give my tall guard an advantage in shooting compared to if my guard was only 6'4?

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11410.2 in reply to 11410.1
Date: 1/3/2008 4:19:40 PM
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I'm 99% certain that one of the BBs has said that height isn't considered by the game engine at all - that is, it only affects training.

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11410.3 in reply to 11410.1
Date: 1/3/2008 4:19:50 PM
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As of right now, there's no height modifiers included in the game engine.

It's only used for training purposes as of right now (and I believe it was mentioned that the effect of height on training has been reduced).

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11410.4 in reply to 11410.3
Date: 1/3/2008 4:22:28 PM
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(and I believe it was mentioned that the effect of height on training has been reduced).
Very interesting (if true).

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11410.5 in reply to 11410.3
Date: 1/3/2008 4:24:18 PM
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Well that sucks. I hope they plan on introducing something like that down the line, or they might as well get rid of height entirely, especially since they just reduced the training modifier.

It's not very realistic that a guy who's 7'0 would have the same chance to score on a guy who is 6'0 as a guy who is 7'0.

Then again, I wouldn't want the game to become completely dominated by height either, so I guess it's a give and take situation.

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11410.6 in reply to 11410.4
Date: 1/3/2008 4:26:07 PM
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From a News item on 11/11/07:

2) The height modifier to training will be reduced, particularly for jump shooting.

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11410.7 in reply to 11410.6
Date: 1/3/2008 4:27:22 PM
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Ah. I should read those more carefully!

Thanks.

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11410.8 in reply to 11410.5
Date: 1/3/2008 4:27:43 PM
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Then again, I wouldn't want the game to become completely dominated by height either, so I guess it's a give and take situation.


DISCLAIMER: This is completely unofficial and strictly a guess by me backed by no credible info or data

I think that hits the nail on the head. It's probably extremely difficult to incorporate height into the GE without it becoming a dominant factor.

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11410.9 in reply to 11410.8
Date: 1/3/2008 4:44:01 PM
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Yeah, incorporating height into training potential and ignoring it in the GE is an elegant solution to the difficulty of incorporating height in the simulation, really. I think as players get trained to higher levels, the elegance of it all will be even clearer.

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11410.10 in reply to 11410.8
Date: 1/3/2008 6:06:44 PM
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It does make sense but it kind of stinks because I think it would be really cool to have a bunch of really tall guards launching 3s, but if there's no advantage whatever to doing it, then I probably won't. Not to mention that I'll always be thinking "why aren't you nailing that shot, you're 7 feet tall!"

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11410.11 in reply to 11410.10
Date: 1/3/2008 10:18:17 PM
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I think eventually, most teams will consist of trained players -- and the 7 footers will have superior rebounding and inside defense than the 6 footers (because frankly nobody is going to waste their valuable training time training a 6 footer in rebounding). Likewise you're not going to be able to train a 7 footer to the necessary skill levels to be an effective point guard.

At least, that's the goal I think BB is aiming for. Whether is achievable, is another question.

Meanwhile, its encouraging to know that a 5'9" guy like myself could compete with 7'2" in BB provided my skill set is good enough: "Steve fakes lefts and drives the lane. From the foul line he launches himself and dunks over Yao Ming!" Time to ask for that contract extension!

Steve
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