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From: JohnnyB
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Date: 11/20/2009 1:24:19 PM
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I am not saying that i should win but, i was sure that could be a close game. (16563424)

Last edited by JohnnyB at 11/20/2009 1:24:34 PM

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119316.2 in reply to 119316.1
Date: 11/20/2009 1:36:18 PM
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Looks like you turned the ball over a lot more than him. Also, he shot over 50% from the field while your team shot considerable worse. It may come down to his team just having superior players. Sorry about the loss.

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119316.3 in reply to 119316.2
Date: 11/20/2009 2:06:47 PM
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Still doesnt explain how i lost so bad with CT, home against normal right?

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119316.4 in reply to 119316.3
Date: 11/20/2009 5:14:27 PM
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Nowdays you can not play Look Inside with low offensive flow. I have seen many matches like that - nothing extraodinary.

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119316.6 in reply to 119316.4
Date: 11/21/2009 1:02:42 AM
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Indeed my SG, has very good JS/JR, 7 on DR, 3 on PA. Isnt driving a big factor for how many shoots a player will take? Also my PG is by my far most complete player, and maybe my best player too. Why he took half shots compared to my SG?
I had to use a rookie as SF couz my starting SF (McNeil) was on a bad shape, but still those parameters are on the consideration for the ratings right? I was expecting his guards to kill me, but the majority of the damage was coming from his PF, witch if u see the ratings my PF is by far the better scorer.

Also if i want to improve my offensive flow i should buy a SG with more PG skills?

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119316.7 in reply to 119316.4
Date: 11/24/2009 1:36:27 PM
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Nowdays you can not play Look Inside with low offensive flow.


Nowdays you can't play look inside and expect better results than a base offense, no matter the flow. Unless you need a proficient flow against a team with an average outside d. To me, the issue is not flow. The issue is the large number of short jump shots that are taken in a look inside in the new engine.

Also, 2-3 zone is no longer a viable defense. You weaken your perimeter defense too much, and perimeter defense is king in the new engine. Man-to-man is the new 2-3 zone.

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119316.8 in reply to 119316.6
Date: 11/24/2009 1:46:18 PM
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Indeed my SG, has very good JS/JR, 7 on DR, 3 on PA.


The passing is a killer for your offensive flow. It is most likely why he took so many shots - he can't pass and was left with no other option. I have seen similar results on SGs with low flow related skills.

Maybe it is just me, but I like 9-10 passing/handling (or more) on my SG and SF in the new engine.

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119316.9 in reply to 119316.7
Date: 11/24/2009 1:58:37 PM
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Also, 2-3 zone is no longer a viable defense. You weaken your perimeter defense too much, and perimeter defense is king in the new engine. Man-to-man is the new 2-3 zone.


with those weak 2-3 defence i like the inside tactics again, i use it when i am a favorit and i don't get those problems like running into a 1-3-1 Zone with motion or run and gun.

PS: and you don't need a proficient flow, i have good result with my average till respectable flow, on a high level.

Last edited by CrazyEye at 11/24/2009 1:59:39 PM

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119316.10 in reply to 119316.8
Date: 11/24/2009 2:02:45 PM
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Well for the next season my target is to upgrade my SF position (again) and next my SG, with some1 more all around
Until then i pray for Atmatzidis injury (his best player) to repeat. If not...well the cup is nice too :)

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119316.11 in reply to 119316.9
Date: 11/24/2009 2:50:14 PM
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PS: and you don't need a proficient flow, i have good result with my average till respectable flow, on a high level.


I have had pretty good success with an average-respectable flow this season, too - but only when I don't use an inside offense. Well, unless I go against an opponent with a lessor outside d rating.

Yes, an inside offense against a 2-3 zone certainly works better than an inside offense against man to man. It is because the 2-3 zone weakens the perimeter d, making it easier to hit the short jump shots.

Here is the issue as I see it:

Let's say in a base offense you can put up respectable in outside and inside scoring. If you go to an inside offense, this brings your outside scoring down to a high mediocre or a low average, but pushes your inside offense up to maybe prominent. The trouble is, less than half your shots will actually be inside shots. The rest of your shots will be modified with your crappy outside scoring rating. Many more will be driving shots for your guards - which is usually not good.

Now, if you go outside instead, let's say you can now put up a proficient outside scoring. The inside scoring rating is no big deal - you only get 20-25% of your shots on the inside. Maybe another 20-25% are 3s, 20-25% long jumpers and 20-25% short jumpers. That means 75-80% of the shots are using your great outside scoring rating.

So, to sum up, when you are talking about teams that can post a respectable or higher outside d rating:

man is the new 2-3 zone
push the ball is the new look inside
patient is the new low post

Run of the Mill Canadian Manager