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From: brian
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Date: 1/14/2008 7:44:15 PM
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When a guard drives to the hoop and goes for a layup, dunk, giant-killing floater, etc.., does the GE count that as an inside shot and take into account the player's inside shot skill?

Maybe this has been clarified, but I've not seen a post on this before and seems a pretty important question.

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Date: 1/14/2008 8:11:03 PM
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I would assume it does count as as inside shot. I saw someone once give a terrific explanation of inside shot vs. jump shot, and I wish I still had it to paste to you.

I like of any shot in the paint as using inside shot, I always assumed that a layup/dunk/hook shot/etc. would use inside shot instead of jump shot, but I have no proof of that.

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12607.3 in reply to 12607.2
Date: 1/14/2008 8:19:06 PM
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It makes sense that inside shot would matter for guards, though, thats another skill for the poor guard trainers to have to address.

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Date: 1/14/2008 8:33:32 PM
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I would think that if a guard penetrates through the defense for a lay-up, that's got a use some of his driving skills, but whether that also involves his inside shooting skills or not is a question.

I would hope inside shooting had more to do with post moves and such...but I don't really know...

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12607.5 in reply to 12607.4
Date: 1/14/2008 10:08:28 PM
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Since I watch games, I had once my reserve PG play later on in a game.

His driving is respectable but inside shot is pitiful.

He scored 15 points, which is a lot for him but 14 points were lay ups and 1 was for a FT (I think).

So driving influences (in my opinion) a chance of a lay up falling by quite a bit.

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Date: 1/17/2008 3:06:44 PM
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I would hope inside shooting had more to do with post moves and such...but I don't really know...


No, I'm 99 and 44/100ths percent certain INSIDE SHOT and OUTSIDE SHOT are the unadjusted shooting percentages. I base this on a player I have who is ATROCIOUS on outside shot and AVERAGE on inside shot. Like many ATROCIOUS shooters, he never makes an outside shot. When he makes shots, I look at the game and see his made shots came from in the paint.

For me, that's definitive.

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Date: 1/17/2008 3:08:09 PM
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What about the opposite, where a guy has atrocious inside shot and average jumper?

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Date: 1/17/2008 3:15:48 PM
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No, I'm 99 and 44/100ths percent


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Date: 1/17/2008 3:15:59 PM
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What about the opposite, where a guy has atrocious inside shot and average jumper?


I don't have a player like that, but based on another thread where an owner complained about a costly player with ATROCIOUS inside shot and STRONG outside shot whose overall shooting percentage was around 30% I think that applies.

Also, note how many ATROCIOUS FT shooters on the transfer list are 0 for their career at the line.

Also, most computer basketball sims work like I described. I'm certain the BB designers are familiar with other games, and did not create the BB game engine by ignoring everything designed before this that works well.

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12607.10 in reply to 12607.9
Date: 1/17/2008 3:17:57 PM
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Ok, but I'm a little confused about your previous explanation. Can you take another crack at explaning the relationship between inside shot/jumper for guards/big men?

I got what you were saying before that big men with bad jumper will take less jump shots, but that doesn't really prove a relationship to me.

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12607.11 in reply to 12607.10
Date: 1/17/2008 3:32:58 PM
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It seems to me that inside shot affects layups for guards, because my guard with average driving and pitiful IS misses layups all the time. Really frustrating when I'm watching the game. I'm not saying I know this or not, but this how it appears to me. And if this is the case, that is bad news since you cant even train IS for guards.