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Offense rules Buzzerbeater, particularly Outside Offense.

I spent the last 2 seasons trying to compete in U.S. Div II, where i already knew i was over matched. But, being the basketball purest i am i wanted to try to compete with Defense Particularly OD. i spent a large portion of the last 2 season training OD and ID, one position training, rotating my entire team through the training position.

I got pops with regularity but it seemed to not do anything, i wasn't getting better, i wasn't stopping teams from scoring on me. Not only did i find out that JS, JR and IS are alot more training effective but they relate to game ratings a lot better. Thus, i came up with some conclusions, right or wrong:

-I'm never training OD again, if i need more outside D i'm going to purchase a player that has it.
-really high JS and IS are alot more 'friendlier' on a players salary then OD or ID.
-On the transfer list, players with extremely high scoring ratings (JS, JR, IS) go for a lot more then players with the same
ratings in OD and ID.
-T.I.Eing improves defensive ratings more then Off, thus a team with the best offense in the league will be in good shape , after TIEing a lot throughout the season, come playoff time.

So, in conclusion, from my experience, its better to get players to out score a team then it is to stop a team from scoring. Let someone else train the defenses for you because training it will put you behind the 8 ball.

Its way easier to train scoring that defense, and the market pays a lot for a player that can D. In my league its a team, with great scorers but no D. Guess what. Relegate...

You have the best record in your league and your the top scorer, sorry second by 8 points. but you dont have the best defense.

you have the best FG% and 3pt%.

Last edited by SimonL at 3/3/2010 5:54:29 PM

teams who only trains offense getting weaker in my eyes, so staying at the same level isn't that bad ;)

making it more balnced who give you the most succes i think.

Training defense is less popular and arguably less fun. I don't think it's harder, but it's definitely a lot less "sexy". I barely even enjoyed watching my own games when they were all ending 70-67. Going minutes without scoring was frustrating and having to stop 8 straight 3pters-to-tie at the end of the game was nerve-wracking. I didn't enjoy it, but that's personal preference of course.

Thinking about your situation:

1) If you're in U.S. Div II, most if not all of your competition is other talented managers. Surely they're ALSO training players and getting pops with regularity. It's likely many of them were training offense. If you started out overmatched, you'd likely stay overmatched against the majority of them.

Whether you're gaining ground on your competition or not, in basketball "an open look is an open look". I looked at some of your games, and early in the season you put up mediocre OD running 3-2 zone. Last week you put up average OD on your 3-2. You're improving, but when the opponents are putting up respectable or strong OS (which I can do as a D.III U.S. team so I'm sure they can in D.II) you're not going to see much difference in the results yet.

2) In my experience it's hard to buy a good defender on the TL. Personally I haven't seen defenders go for cheap, so I guess we shop at different hours. They're less common and often sell for very high prices as a result, as long as they have any offensive skills to speak of, since the managers that appreciate defense are willing to overspend given the rare opportunity to buy a stopper. All-JS SFs on the other hand have become dime-a-dozen. I feel like if you want well-rounded players or good defenders, those are the guys you have to home-grow.

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Since the big game engine update a couple seasons back, I've come to the opposite conclusion as you: I think outside defense is the most important skill in the game. It's not necessarily the skill I would train the highest because as you pointed out, team enthusiasm plays a big role in defensive effectiveness. I don't agree with you that it's inordinately expensive (it seems about equal with other main skills to me when I use any of the many salary calculator utilities). If you get your OD up comparable to your opponents' offenses, shooting percentages drop precipitously, even for inside offenses now that passing has become so important.

i agree a balanced team is the way to go.

But if offense takes less time to train then surely that is better because then you can sell your offensive star and purchase some defense.

it takes more time for OD to pop then JR or JS.

Also my outside D improved because of my TIEing. i sold all my good outside Defenders already and purchased great shooters. my highest outside Defender at the start of the season was wonderous, now its strong.

I've seen strictly good OD or ID defenders go for not too bad, its when its the combination of both is when it gets crazy.

i think especially OD is very expensive on the tl, and i bought a offense star for very low money last week don't think i would get an defensiv Guard for that money(for next year cup and trading)

Last edited by CrazyEye at 3/3/2010 6:23:16 PM

-I'm never training OD again, if i need more outside D i'm going to purchase a player that has it.
-really high JS and IS are alot more 'friendlier' on a players salary then OD or ID.
-On the transfer list, players with extremely high scoring ratings (JS, JR, IS) go for a lot more then players with the same
ratings in OD and ID.
-T.I.Eing improves defensive ratings more then Off, thus a team with the best offense in the league will be in good shape , after TIEing a lot throughout the season, come playoff time.

- OD and JR are the slowest skills to be trained so I could agree with you
- No, JR in combination with good JS is a skill killer under the point of view of the salary
- Dunno if you mean lvl of skill or % of baskets done; due to the fact that OD is very slow I prefer to pay a little bit more a good skilled player in OD instead of JR (or JS), if you mean % of baskets done it depends a lot of the opponent you've to face so that case % are useless
- Don't care about the ratings at the end of the matches

My personal point of view

While is truth that my D aint the best believe me i am working hard on it (big men that i am training). By comparison IS vs ID my 4 rotation big men have the follow: player A 12-10 (expecting pop up on ID this week) player B 13-9 (maybe a pop up on ID too, but old player), player C 14-13 player D 13-12 (pop up again this week on ID). My SF actually can D better than can shoot by 2 pop ups. So as you can see i am keeping some good balance between shooting/defense.