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From: chihorn
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Date: 4/23/2010 10:18:30 AM
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Consider the latest suggestion regarding the Fan Survey…

My biggest issue with the Fan Survey these days is the part about “The team played well in our last league game”. I understand that fans can have mood swings. I was thinking about going out to Citi Park once or twice this week to watch my beloved Cubs play the Mets, but the Cubs have been so miserable so far that I didn’t not to waste my money (a wise choice, the Cubs looked miserable in the series). The Mets also set a new record low for attendance one game during the series since the Mets are looking so good, either.

But here’s my beef. The survey only takes the last game into account. I have two main issues with this (but don’t worry, I also have a simple suggestion to address my issues). First, fans memories may be mostly attached to the last game, but there’s also a mood attached to the last few games. Right now, if a team wins 3 games in a row but then loses a though road game, that part of the fan survey drops down to one ball and if the next game is a home game, attendance drops. While a team’s place in the standings should counter that somewhat (i.e. a 3 game-winning streak will also help a team in the standings, which also increases attendance), it just seems that fans generally have a longer memory than just the last game.

And my second issue with this is that the result of this part of the Fan Survey causes wild swings in attendance, and puts too much ticket revenue emphasis on the schedule. I’ve had seasons where most of my schedule had me alternating between home and away every game. I could win at home with the help of home court advantage, but the boost in the Fan Survey wouldn’t translate into increased revenue from increased attendance since the follow-up game would be on the road. Then I’d have to try to win on the road to get that revenue bonus after a win for the next home game. This sort of schedule is disadvantageous to one that has back-to-back home games where a team is more likely to be able to better capitalize on home wins at the ticket office.

So here is my suggestion. I’m not going to suggest toning down this part of the Fan Survey since I agree with the notion that fans do respond to recent success by going to games, and they stay home when a team has been playing badly. What I will suggest, though, is that the “The team played well in our last league game” part of the Fan Survey be modified to “The team played well in our few league games” and include the last, say, 3 games in the survey. I’d then weight the survey so that the most recent game is worth about 50-60% of this rating, the game before that worth about 25-35% of this rating, and the 3 games previous worth about 15-25% of this rating.

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From: Missio

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141756.2 in reply to 141756.1
Date: 4/23/2010 7:56:47 PM
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I agree, i'd won the first 7 games in a row and then i lost the last one, for 1 point in the last second against the leader of the other zone, and in the survey i've 1.5 balls in the "the team played well in our last league game"... i think it's pretty unfair...

From: giona

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Date: 4/25/2010 4:57:56 AM
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I completely agree on this proposal. Mood changes, I understand that, but the current mechanism for fans mood management is very close to mental disorder...

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141756.6 in reply to 141756.5
Date: 4/28/2010 6:44:49 PM
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merch went down a little yes, the home game not to much, because the game i lost was at home, then i played a game out that i won easily, so the fan survey change again before the home game..

Last edited by Missio at 4/28/2010 6:45:09 PM

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141756.7 in reply to 141756.1
Date: 8/4/2010 12:33:23 PM
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completely agree. It's just so wrong that it even calculates "away" games more important than home games. The fans want to see their team win at home, not away!

From: Kukoc
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Date: 10/30/2010 7:18:22 AM
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I think this survey needs to be updated a little. At the moment we see either you win (4.5-5) or you lose (1-1.5). There is nothing in between. Perhaps we should use the middle values aswell.
Losing a close game on the road ~3 balls. Losing with a 10+ margin on the road ~2 balls. Losing with a walkover or with more than 40 points ~0.5 balls, blowout ~1 balls. Winning with normal effort (as this is good nomatter how you win) will net you 5 balls. Winning while playing TIE will net you ~4 balls. Basically Tie would take remove 1 ball. Crunching (and losing) would add one ball.
It would be lovely if they could implement opponent team strenght also into it. Nomatter which lineup teams use, team position in the league or ranking in country could be used. We all know that if a low end team wins against the best team will exite the first teams fans (even if the good team fielded his 3-rd lineup), same as the second teams fans will be furious losing a game that could easily have been won. Obviously we should somehow put effort into that mix aswell.
At the moment it seems the survey is either on one end or the other:(