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Hey, I can probably do my own experiments with this, but experience from others is always useful.

1. In a strict man-to-man defense, if a player's OD is average and the offensive player's JS is average (and JR is mediocre-average), how good will the offensive player shoot? Are we talking about 50% on average (assuming he's getting fairly average passes)? My gut feeling tells me when matching up pretty equal ratings, defense takes a big advantage. So in this scenario I feel like the offense would score about 43%-ish or lower.

2. When not taking shots from the 3-point range, is ID really important for the defense? for example, let's say the offense takes a 15-foot jumper, is ID very important? Or is it really still just OD unless a big man is posting up? Do layups count as ID or OD? If layups ARE considered ID, wouldn't a zone almost ALWAYS be better for defending against layups?

3. In a zone defense, are there any "zones" that are more important? For example, if I'm playing a 3-2 zone, is there any reason I would want to switch my SG and PG positions if one of them is better at OD?

I'm honestly not sure how "secretive" this information is and how much people are willing to share. Any help is greatly appreciated though :)

1. Also depends on his team mates, but 40 isn't such a bad guess for equal balanced teams.

2. I think with basket near actions of guards, the team rating(or the teammates) is pretty important because i don't see much differences betwenn my 13/10(OD/ID) and 13/5 guard in defence and my ex guard with ID 2 wasn't a bad misssmatch. So you don't have to worry when your guard can not defend inside.

1. There's a lot more that plays into a outside scoring situation than just the jump shot and jump range ratings. I know where you're going with this, though, and it's apparent that defence does have the upper hand all things equal in a regular scenario. Sometimes it can be absolute hell for an offensive player, sometimes the player will fill it up. Performance is usually fair. I took a peak at some high divisions before and guard play seems to heavily favour the defense, though that's probably reasonable if you were to compare attributes.

2. With my interpretation of what an IS is, which may be too literally taken from the play-by-play, I'd say ID wouldn't factor into mid range type jumpers. I'm also assuming that ID extends only as far as IS and that they go hand-in-hand against each other. I see "inside shots" attempted from as far as 10-12 feet out from the end line out towards the free throw line and around 5-7 feet baseline to baseline extending from under the hoop in the PbP.

3. There are times when I think it would make sense to match your best perimeter defender on the oppositions best offensive perimeter player. That player may not always be the one who scores the most points.

I have no idea about anything though..

Last edited by Stajan at 6/17/2010 11:30:35 PM

1. There's a lot more that plays into a outside scoring situation than just the jump shot and jump shot ratings.

This.

Offense is not simply about the jumpshot skill. Jump range will effect how much impact the distance of the shot has which is obvious, but the team's passing, and the passing skill of the player who threw the pass to the player matters, as does the shooter's driving skill. You also need to factor in each players' game shape and experience plus each teams' enthusiasm and effort and home court advantage.

Furthermore, I also suspect (but have no proof) that the defending team's overall OD has an impact on all shots to some degree, not just the defense of the player guarding the shooter. (by this I mean that team defense obviously impacts flow which would have an impact on shot quality, but I also think that overall OD has an impact on the calculations of the shot itself)


So I don't think there's an easy answer to the original question and I am not sure if it is even the right kind of question to be asking when thinking about the game. The pressing thing to try to understand, in my opinion at least, is how the various offensive skills work together to produce shot quality. (for the record, I am no where near being able to understand it)

Different players have different opinions on how the different tactics work but these are my opinions:

1. Yeah they won't shoot 50% unless they are very lucky, and probably lower than 43% just because average isn't a good JS rating on its own regardless of defense. I know that was just an example, so in general if the defense equals the JS and the JR is decent I'm gonna say your assumption is correct, but I do not know this as a fact.

2. When I just started playing BB i was pretty concerned about where OD and ID draw a line, and I sort of forgot to find out for sure, but in my experience I would say that a 15 footer would be in the OD range. Layups would count as ID, and actually shot blocking would come into effect. Posting up would obviously be ID. So to have players that can defend in their primary defensive position and a decent amount in the other would be very beneficial especially in zones when there are switches all the time. When you say wouldnt a zone almost always be better for defending layups, I'm not exactly sure what you mean because there are outside oriented zones.

3. Yes if one of them is a better defender and you want him on his best offensive player for most of the time, even though its a zone they will still be matched up for a majority of the time, not sure how much of a majority but a majority.

Hi. I can't find any similar threads and I post here.
I played Low Post tonight (22863126). My 450k Center takes only 7 shots and PG takes 28!?! Why so? Or would have put C to PG position on offence to take more shots? Both played 48 minutes and also my opponent plays 3-2 zone.

Look Inside: An increased pace offense with an inside focus. The majority of shots will be taken by your power forward and center in an effort to attack the opposing team’s interior defense. Look Inside seems to be one of the favourite offenses to use in BB.
Best Against: 1-3-1 Zone, 3-2 Zone (In that order)
Worst Against: 2-3 Zone

Low post: The decreased pace version of look inside.
Best Against/Worst Against: See “Look Inside”

Perhaps I have overlooked something, but I am confused at the moment. Could someone explain this to me?
Thank you!

Playing with a SG in the position of PG doesn't help.

Last edited by pmfg10 at 6/27/2010 4:03:08 PM

Your backcourt has pretty low season averages in passing. Your "PG" failed to pass the pall so he took bad shots. Your C actually took more than 7 shots. He was fouled on 4 of them giving him 8 FT's.

I disagree. Every tactic has it's place. We have a lot of teams with big men having only ID and REB. Many teams have better ID than OD playing M2M. With that said you need more teams compensating their OD than their ID.