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From: lawman
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Date: 8/9/2010 10:51:33 PM
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Trying to come up with a formidable strategy, so here is my limited view:
1) coaches are important, but not substantial--well not in low divisions anyway. 2,000 price coaches are sufficient to win a conference. However, since money is not "tight" you can splurge on mid-level guys. However, this may be at the expense of the long-term stadium size.
2) let someone else train your "studs". Buy low potential players with high skill set. Sell your high potential players for early profit. Make sure you get the money you deserve though. After all a MVP is a MVP. But a 26 year old MVP is as good as as a 26 year old 6th man with the same stats...keep that in mind.
3) Draft - make sure you scout well. You will want the best possible players. To either train or sell, preferably one train in season 2. 2 scouts per week should be fine.
4) building a stadium early will have a better payback period. Therefore, get the stadium size up early. Consider lowering prices and look at the top stadiums of top teams in the league above you as a reference. That is what you want as you will fill those seats come playoff time--and towards mid-year the next year.
5) level 5 teams are scrubs. The only challenge is to beat the other non-bots in the conference. Strategy for this should be to get gameshape and enthusiasm up for the playoffs. Buy fundamentally strong players at low market prices. Do not buy anyone over 200K unless you are certain they can be surrounded by good role players. Wait until the end of the season to buy anyone large...if you have the cash.
6) Use the transfer wire to build around either a "short" 18-20 year old training squad or "tall" 18-20 squad. Try to pick players from your country. Try to pick players with similar skills that will mesh well in training. In your first season, your training will be mild. Suggested 6-8 player training OR 2-3 position training. This is the only time where this training is optimal because your 18 year old trainers can also be your very strong starters.
7) Pick "starters" opposite of your trainers. These guys will be your "star" players. Suggest 5000-7500 price range.
8) Play TIE whenever possible.
9) Check your opponents game stats. If they play well vs inside teams, score outside. If they score well inside consider a 2-3 zone. If they completely suck push the ball or run a fast set wherever they are vunerable. Using the right strategy will seamingly get you 20-30 point wins.
10) do not be afraid to trade players. But keep anyone around that fits your training OR can "start" opposed your trainees. They will earn you good cash by staying on your team.
11) buy/sell players regularly. Keep in mind though that you want most of your team to be from your home country. Overall, I'd suggest picking players with stats that can allow your team to switch strategies by the game. It will keep any non-bots from thinking they have a chance against beating your squad...to the point where you may win the league without a decent challenge.
12) If you can get your hands on an NT type player, feel free to go that route. Keep in mind though--you may have to give up some other goals for him. My humble suggestion is training players to be good in the league you are going to next...not the all-star league.
13) (My first major mistakes) 1-Do not undersell an 18 year old superstar 2-do not buy 20 players, then try to figure out who to get rid of! 3-do not raise your stadium price before understanding what your newly built seats will sell or not 4-do not buy staff until you know what you are doing with the team/stadium 5-do not let your rival beat youon a buzzerbeater then make your players play crunch time the game afterwards for their mistakes :)

Anyway my quick (well long) in-game assessment from a long-term gamer (not this game but in general).

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153865.2 in reply to 153865.1
Date: 8/9/2010 11:12:32 PM
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Hey,
Welcome to the game.
I'll post my responses next to the respective number.

1) What do you mean by coaches? Do you mean trainers? Do you mean players?

2) Yeah people generally overpay for potential. Potential is important if you want to train a player for many seasons, and especially important for national teams. But if you want to improve quickly then buying older guys with well developed skill sets will be cheaper.

3) Yeah spending 10k a week is more than enough in most cases. However, if you are in a bot league (or one with lots of inactive managers) then it may be worth spending more as you will probably get a good player. If you think you are going to finish near the bottom of the league then it may also be worth spending more money so you get to see more players and pick a better one.

4) Expanding is very important. It is the main source of income in this game.

5) I agree. Most games will be easy so you can train out of position easily and improve your players while still winning games.

6) I would not be training 3 positions. Training 2 positions is far better. Get 6 trainees for similar positions and train them up in 2 position. As long as they are in the 18 to 21 year range they are going to be decent trainees.

7) Agreed, not sure on the price range as that will vary depending on the league.

8) Of course.

9) Of course.

10) Of course, but trading too much will be hard as the tax will get in the way.

11) Some people prefer a slower approach of training up all their players. There are many roads to success.

12) I don't think div 4 teams or lower need national team players.

13) All good points.

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153865.3 in reply to 153865.2
Date: 8/9/2010 11:26:34 PM
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Thanks Naker for the comments, you've been helpful. I've read many of your posts.

I still think 3 position training is interesting when you got like 6-8 players that all need the same stat :) or close to it.

But yeah, I can't imagine it being useful against real competition. Still some training like rebounding can't even get three position anyway so it's use is limited.

I seen someone sporting the idea of an all 18- year old team training. I think its possible in div 5. Especially when you can buy guys with really good stats for 1,000 sometimes. But I think finding the right mix of players would be too hard and therefore impossible to be better then 3-2-1 position training.

Not surprised I got one ball--most of the ideas are lame I'm sure and borderline completely wrong, but what do you expect from a newbie?

Last edited by lawman at 8/9/2010 11:29:34 PM

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153865.4 in reply to 153865.3
Date: 8/9/2010 11:34:18 PM
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I suppose the reason I believe 3 position training isn't the way to go is because it is a little bit too slow, and it requires you to have too many trainees. With 6-8 trainees it really limits how many good players you can have, and makes it hard to win games in higher leagues. If I am playing in div 2 and 3 of the positions are taken up each game by an 18 year old trainee then I am going to lose every game. And with 3 positions it will take a long time to get those trainees up to a level where they are useful.
I haven't used the team training but I still don't think it would be that effective even with all 18 year olds. It would certainly make winning games a lot harder, although I have never tried it so it may be successful. It would certainly be easier in div 5 than higher divisions.

Ignore the 1 ball :)

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153865.5 in reply to 153865.4
Date: 8/10/2010 12:04:47 AM
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It seems like in div 5 its almost better to go for a an-all 1000 under 4500 cost team.

you play to the competition level, and use all the other money to build a larger stadium while selling anyone of value.

then i suppose buy out some clear cut starters a couple weeks before the playoffs.

but its certainly not a style of play that is easy.

Have 10 4500 cost players = 45,000 3 staff worth 2,000 =6,000.
Net cash flow around $75,000 for about 7 weeks.
525,000 towards arena. Also add in money that the current players sell for. Buy a couple starters for the playoffs worth 200K each. Seems reasonable in div5. requires much attention though to gameshape and looking for players...but a strategy.


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153865.6 in reply to 153865.5
Date: 8/10/2010 12:12:44 AM
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Certainly a valid strategy. Just try and promote to div 4. The competition is much better and so I think you will enjoy the game more. Also, finishing near the bottom in the division above is better than coming first in the current division.

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153865.7 in reply to 153865.1
Date: 8/10/2010 1:29:18 AM
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You will need to spend more then $2000 on a trainer. Having at least a level 4 Advanced trainer is vital to your training.

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153865.8 in reply to 153865.1
Date: 8/10/2010 1:32:05 AM
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