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Malaysia beat Hanguk 124-91 yesterday in our final game of first round. The win put Malaysia on third place in Group C, behind Phillipines and Taiwan. The other qualifying spot of the group falls to surprise package of the season, India, who had beaten us earlier.

In next round, we are grouped together with Asian power houses, China and Australia, whom we hadn't beaten before. Let's see if we can defy the odds this year.

Cheers.

In further updates on the NT, could you put up a report on why we won/lost and the performances of the players?

If we wanted the results, we could easily check it.

Last edited by OpTic.Phenom at 8/24/2010 12:40:42 PM

how about you give us a sample of what you are expecting since you're so keen on a report on the match.

so ah moi and the rest of us know what exactly should be put into a win / loss report? : )

Like maybe a short summary where the NT manager gives us his thoughts and reason why we won/lost and do a writeup on each player's performances. You could include the point in time of the match where a big play was made or the shift in momentum occurred, stuff like who was our team's MVP, The last post I wrote was written in layman and plain English, what can't you understand?

I know youre new and stuff but use the forum for something constructive. Like I said, whats the point of updating the Malaysian community on the score when we can easily check it. A NT team manager is supposed to know more about the team and have greater in-depth knowledge on the team.

So tell me, whats the point of Nick Of Time being NT manager, when he just does a little scouting,set orders and thats a wrap? At least show us why you're NT manager, tell us who are on the outside what we do not know.

Look Vicelicious, before you reply, do look at it without tainted glasses, from what I've read form your posts in all forums , youre on the brash side.

Nobody ever likes someone who voices out against the current norm and formalities but these are things that have to be done. Before i voiced out on our NT woes during the past off season and emphasizing on the need for a continuation of developing players starting form the U21 level, very little was done. But I give props to our community now that time and effort has been taken to identify the young players that are available.

I think it is only fair for NoT to reply to this request (that's how I view it..instead of criticism). I think our NT and U-21 have made strides. More often than not in the past our NT and U-21 have always been doing the job on their own withour much involvement from the community. Easily seen from how many of us actually participated in the election.

I think our national coaches should be judged from two angles :

1. Results. Yeah this is pretty direct. No two ways about that. Either we win or we lose. It can be unlucky if we are in a tough group. Then we look at the games from the tactical point of view regardless of the outcome.

2. Continuity. This is in itself is the long term goal of any national teams. And this for the most part means getting the local community to be more involved in the continuous development of the national teams. Scouting and setting up a database as well as getting the team owners to follow and contribute towards the national agenda.

Based on my experience, no. 2 is the toughest and challenging of the two.

Ahmoi, perhaps you can include some insights in your weekly report without divulging too much detail for our competition to take advantage of. To be fair to Ahmoi, he has been communicating with the team owners on the individual requirements of the players on the NT roster.

On topic:

Ah! Nothing like a condescension to kick off the morning!

Actually, the question was honestly posed as a platform for you to showcase your opinion and style on how it should be done, running the NT. Since you bailed on the Q&A last election, I was curious to see how you would do things.

Its easy to criticize and point fingers, with out suggesting anything constructive. Which is exactly what your first post was. Which is why I was giving your the opportunity to back your suggestion up with some substance, and an example.

The thing that doesn't make sense about your 'layman and plain English' is that it isn't logical. You say you can check the score to see the final score. Logically, one more click will bring your to the BOX SCORE, where you can see 'stuff' as you so eloquently put it. Basic information like who the 'MVP' was and the ratings are all there for you to read and check out. How players performed. What enthu was used. What tactics. Its all there for you to see.

So what exactly are you lookin for in the report? That was what I didn't understand.

Which is why I asked you what you expected to see in a report? What exactly do you think should go in the report? You can even use big words and jargon! I'll try to keep up with what you're trying to say! Honestly! No need to just bluster for my benefit :)

It sounds to me like you're looking for a fan fiction write up of the game, not a report. So I put it to you again, how about you provide us an example of what you think should be a proper report?


Aside on the brash and new and be constructive comments:

I'm not really gonna bother replying on the silly you're new, brash, a conformist and not constructive comments. Firstly, I think the posts ratings speak for themselves. More importantly, I'm not lobbying or pre campaigning to be the next NT as you obviously are.

Its easy to criticize and point fingers, with out suggesting anything constructive. Which is exactly what your first post was.

I don't get you on this one. How was a suggestion to include a match report a criticism? As I think it through, I still don't get it. How is it criticism if its a suggestion? If anything, if a match report can't be done, just speak up and say it can't be done, theres no need to one ball my post on Malaysia V India thread. (whoever it was). And even , Mr Shim from the Great Adidas agrees, and he gets one balled.

You say you can check the score to see the final score. Logically, one more click will bring your to the BOX SCORE, where you can see 'stuff' as you so eloquently put it. Basic information like who the 'MVP' was and the ratings are all there for you to read and check out. How players performed. What enthu was used. What tactics. Its all there for you to see.

TBH, if you watch the match viewer instead of just relying on the boxscore after the game, you can notice some differences. Does the boxscore tell you when the game momentum changes, who hit the big shots at crucial times, what were the critical fouls at which times of the match? I have a Center who I've sold who had a double double every game but he doesn't necessarily make the big plays at big times.

What I can see out of writing such a match report is the increase in interest of managers of players in the NT. Managers want to know how their players stood out among others on the team. In fact, it could help make managers want to train their players onto the NT that much more. That way we get more competition for high quality players. We can then select the best of the best for the NT.
Everyone wins in this case, mangers become more active in participation and we have a better pool of players to select for the NT. These are just the little stuff that helps make the game for interesting for everyone.

More importantly, I'm not lobbying or pre campaigning to be the next NT as you obviously are.

That my friend is inaccurate. Its funny how in your posts youre the kind of poster who likes to assume things.
That being said, our community is one that values club success as a criterion to measure one's ability to be NT manager. I've learned that form the response on the last election. But nothing wrong with that. NOT has shown his club ability so all props to him. So its funny how you mention campaigning for the next NT manager with yourself in the same sentence. You don't got the credentials.

Actually. I don't rate posts in our BB forums. In case you're wondering if it was me. Otherwise wouldn't I have one balled your copy paste post after I read it? :)

Let me break it down for you:

In further updates on the NT, could you put up a report on why we won/lost and the performances of the players?

This is a suggestion.

If we wanted the results, we could easily check it.

To me, this is a sarcastic implied criticism.

Neither parts of this comment are constructive. Because you did not explain your definition of a report or what you wanted to see in it. Copy and pasting the same comment twice w/o further explanations was also not constructive. Which is what prompted my reply to you.


What I can see out of writing such a match report is the increase in interest of managers of players in the NT. Managers want to know how their players stood out among others on the team. In fact, it could help make managers want to train their players onto the NT that much more. That way we get more competition for high quality players. We can then select the best of the best for the NT.

Everyone wins in this case, mangers become more active in participation and we have a better pool of players to select for the NT. These are just the little stuff that helps make the game for interesting for everyone.


This is constructive, and if you had put that as part of your first post, I would have agreed with you. So you're saying that the reports will prompt interest in the game from our managers? Or act as inspiration? However, you are back pedaling on your original comment:


Like I said, whats the point of updating the Malaysian community on the score when we can easily check it. A NT team manager is supposed to know more about the team and have greater in-depth knowledge on the team.

So tell me, whats the point of Nick Of Time being NT manager, when he just does a little scouting,set orders and thats a wrap? At least show us why you're NT manager, tell us who are on the outside what we do not know.

You made it sound as if only the NT Manager can do this. Anyone can watch the game. Anyone can write this up. Not just the manager. Heck, with your layman and plain English, you'd do a great job too!


That my friend is inaccurate. Its funny how in your posts youre the kind of poster who likes to assume things.

Well when you pull out without an explanation or comment, there's nothing left to do, but assume. And its hilarious how you like to over generalise. Let's look at it from an objective point of view. You ran for NT last season. Pulled out. This season, our U21 is doing a lot worse than our NT currently is. And our U21 is posting 'reports' in the same manner as our NT manager is. Yet you only post and repost this on the NT game reports. A simple exercise in logic will show that you are possibly pre-campaigning for NT Manager for next season. You further reinforce this by your babble about how you sparked off the U21 draft rescue mission and suggestions that this is not what an NT is supposed to be doing.


So tell me, whats the point of Nick Of Time being NT manager, when he just does a little scouting,set orders and thats a wrap? At least show us why you're NT manager, tell us who are on the outside what we do not know.

So its funny how you mention campaigning for the next NT manager with yourself in the same sentence. You don't got the credentials.

That's a hilarious line to end on. This statement right after saying I'm presumptuous :) I never claimed to have the credentials or to have the interest to run for the post.

But since we're being petty and childish, I'm pretty sure I won't be rooted at the bottom of MABBA after 2 years + of playing. ; )

When you look at my posts and comments, too me its a suggestion and nothing in criticism sense. Of course if you or any other users feel its criticism well so be it. But without criticism one can never improve.

My quote from earlier

What I can see out of writing such a match report is the increase in interest of managers of players in the NT. Managers want to know how their players stood out among others on the team. In fact, it could help make managers want to train their players onto the NT that much more. That way we get more competition for high quality players. We can then select the best of the best for the NT.

Everyone wins in this case, mangers become more active in participation and we have a better pool of players to select for the NT. These are just the little stuff that helps make the game for interesting for everyone.

And regarding your post saying I'm back pedaling? How so?
Makes no sense. Okay, you update us with a just a scoreline. And thats going to prompt interest? Go and refer again to my previous posts.
Again my previous two posts

You could include the point in time of the match where a big play was made or the shift in momentum occurred, stuff like who was our team's MVP

TBH, if you watch the match viewer instead of just relying on the boxscore after the game, you can notice some differences. Does the boxscore tell you when the game momentum changes, who hit the big shots at crucial times, what were the critical fouls at which times of the match?

By including more of such details then interest can be prompted. Not just a scoreline update.

Rooted at the bottom? Well if you took the time before you posted your half-arsed cynical reply, any legit manager will
know I'm tanking. I've sold of my best player and going the development route right now. And before you come up with another witty ass comment, tanking is a prominent strategy in this game, even maybe in real life basketball management.
I made a run for the Malaysian Cup, and I don't think I fared badly at all. In the Last 8 match against Malaysian Champions Nick Of Time I was leading the whole way through till late in the 4th quarter. That sounds way better than getting your ass handed to you by Ginakia. Way better. =)

To me it seems youre trying to rebut everything that I say or comment on. Are you trying to prove something?

In the Last 8 match against Malaysian Champions Nick Of Time I was leading the whole way through till late in the 4th quarter. That sounds way better than getting your ass handed to you by Ginakia. Way better. =)

anyone whom just joined the game for a season will get their ass whooped by any mbba or ex-mbba teams. i thought a 'vet'' should already know that..

basketball is a very straight forward game, it's either a win or a loss.. will history remember that you were leading right until the last minute?

Ahh, a little spice and drama to our boards!

With reference to LA-Darvish's initial post which stirred up a hornets nest (Not a bad thing judging by the activity in here), I do understand where he is coming from in requesting for a more in-depth analysis for our NT matches which is not immediately available from the numbers. The thread then went into a mini-flame war mode, so I will not digress from this point on.

Allow me to attempt an example, which shouldn't reveal too much inside info on our NT because I do not have any inside info in the first place.


On paper and based on the players' salaries, this was always going to be an uphill battle for Korea. This was further complicated by their choice of tactics. Their starting SF is listed as a PF, which means the player is closer to being inside based and yet they chose to play a Run and Gun strategy rather than putting emphasis on going inside. Perhaps to compensate playing a PF in the SF position, they chose to play the 1-3-1 defense in an attempt to shore up their perimeter defense with only 2 outside players on court. Or perhaps, they anticipated Malaysia to turn up raining threes on them. Whichever was the case, Malaysia ended up with the safe Push The Ball/ Man to Man tactics.

With a weakened inside defense, needless to say Malaysia went bananas in their paint. Their star man, 123k Jae-Suk Kim, played at PF but got murdered by his experienced Malaysian counterpart Hairul who only earns half his salary. Malaysia's top performer for the night, Hairul posted a massive 5 blocks, 14 rebounds and 27 points, seeing over half his attempts go through the net. Hairul's backup, Feriza, had an even more incredible performance statistically, shooting an amazing 100% from the field and from the free throw line. Malaysian Center Halim rounded up the triumvirate of inside men by also sinking over half his attempts, registering 22 rebounds and 18 points. From pre-match reports, we do suspect that Jae-Suk Kim's so-so form also contributed to the inside collapse. When your star big man steps towards the cheerleaders when you tell him to 'Get the ball!', you know it isn't going to end well.

Kwu led our outside performers in terms of points, but it was always the inside players who were going to be key whenever that 1-3-1 defense formation is played. Even if he did go 0-7 from the 3 point line, show him some love will ya fellas? With home court and the fans backing behind the team, Malaysia was always expected to come out with the goods.