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Date: 10/6/2010 6:17:27 PM
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How do you train a player to produce steals? Pressure is the obvious answer, but are the others that help like handling or one on one?

What's full court press most effective against?

Thank you!

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159545.2 in reply to 159545.1
Date: 10/6/2010 6:26:19 PM
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You almost answered. Handling and pressure are most important. Maybe even driving. But for me mainly those 2.

Pressing is most effective against opponents that have lower rebounding and inside defense ratings than you.

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159545.3 in reply to 159545.2
Date: 10/6/2010 6:30:59 PM
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FCP is most effective against teams that are already turnover prone.

I don't think the fact a team has lower rebounding or inside defence has anything to do with the effectiveness of playing FCP.

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159545.4 in reply to 159545.3
Date: 10/6/2010 6:44:42 PM
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I don't think the fact a team has lower rebounding or inside defence has anything to do with the effectiveness of playing FCP.


The guide says if you play pressing, it's super fast tempo and steals will go up but ratings for your def, rebs and stamina will be lowered. If you have those ratings higher than your opponent, with pressing you won't lower them to much to hurt you badly and steals will increase big time. I'd like more people to comment on this.

http://www.buzzerbeater.com/match/23213538/boxscore.aspx
Check out this game. Cibona had higher inside def and rebounding ratings. They played pressing (instead of 3-2) and they finished with 31 steals, and the opponent lost 33 balls total.


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159545.5 in reply to 159545.4
Date: 10/6/2010 6:56:15 PM
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I think you have misinterpreted the question.

The OP asked what is FCP most effective against?

As you correctly identified, FCP will increase your skills but your stamina will take a huge beating. On your logic alone, I would not recommend anyone to FCP opponents just because they have lower Reb and ID because there are a lot more factors at play in the game engine and what you are looking at is only a indirect relationship at best.

FCP is designed to force your opponent to commit turnovers. So if your opponent has poor passing and handling to begin with, you can really exploit that weakness with FCP.

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159545.6 in reply to 159545.5
Date: 10/6/2010 7:22:56 PM
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FCP is designed to force your opponent to commit turnovers. So if your opponent has poor passing and handling to begin with, you can really exploit that weakness with FCP.


I agree. But you don't know if your opponent has low passing and handling. You can just guess by looking at his turnovers in games played and by looking at his flow rating.

Plus, if your opponent really has low passing and handling but really strong rebounding and inside play I still think he'll smash you no matter how many balls you steal. Right?



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159545.7 in reply to 159545.6
Date: 10/6/2010 7:48:15 PM
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Offensive flow is usually a good indicator on the passing/handling abilities of the team. You can see how the offensive flow of the team is relative to the other teams of the league. Also, look at the amount of turnovers a team commits normally. Likewise, with your logic, you can't really see you how good a team's reb and defensive is either and is only an estimate from the game ratings a team puts up.

I don't think you can make such assumptions as there are too many factors at play in the game engine. I am not a big fan of FCP but I will not say that a team with better rebounding, IS and ID will smash a team that plays FCP. There are other factors like your offense, and other match ups, etc

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159545.8 in reply to 159545.7
Date: 10/7/2010 6:17:02 PM
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Whatever :)

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159545.9 in reply to 159545.7
Date: 10/7/2010 6:17:30 PM
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Thanks!
So can a stamina deficiency be offset by rotating 12 players with an advanced coach?
Do "Push the ball" or "Look inside" indicate only the half court offense, and would have no bearings what the team does on a break?

off the subject: it seems that guards can only ever raise their Inside Shot marginally and take a lot longer to train overall anyway than bigs, is it true?