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161746.1
Date: 10/20/2010 5:36:56 AM
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As the thread title suggests - why not add more global club comps that run on Weds.

A BB3 for winners of Division 2 & 3 should translate to more teams wanting to promote. Also if the reward for promotion was greater the first time you promote up a division this could increase the chances of staying up and put increased pressure on the teams at the top.

ie. Promote from Division 2 to Division 1 for the first time = $3mil
Relegate and promote again - normal $1mil bonus only.

Division 4/5 have too many teams to do this unless the top 1024 teams get chosen based on promotion record (again this way ensuring that teams try to promote with the best possible record to qualify)

Overall, I think this would increase awareness and promote more meaningful cross border competition for more players. By providing another carrot (trophy) this would maybe encourage more aggressive strategies by some managers.

All winners of the various BB3 series should get a free pass into the main BB3 too and can cash it in during a season of their choice.


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161746.2 in reply to 161746.1
Date: 10/20/2010 6:31:05 AM
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Love the idea.

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161746.3 in reply to 161746.1
Date: 10/20/2010 7:56:17 AM
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Do you mean 2 separate competition one for Division 2 and second for Division 3? Or one competition for all together?

I think also usefull should be another competition, for finalist and semifinalist of Division I and cup finalist. Because in some countries it's very difficult to qualify for B3 as there is one or two teams dominating for ages. For example in our country I won 6 titles in last 7 seasons (including double 3-times) and total 6 league and 5 cup titles in last 9 season. Second more successfull team is BS Frydek with 3 league and 3 cup titles in last 9 season. Our teams have played league the same league final in all of last 9 seasons and there is only one 1 different cup winner in last 9 seasons.

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161746.4 in reply to 161746.3
Date: 10/20/2010 8:31:17 AM
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Do you mean 2 separate competition one for Division 2 and second for Division 3? Or one competition for all together?

I think also usefull should be another competition, for finalist and semifinalist of Division I and cup finalist. Because in some countries it's very difficult to qualify for B3 as there is one or two teams dominating for ages. For example in our country I won 6 titles in last 7 seasons (including double 3-times) and total 6 league and 5 cup titles in last 9 season. Second more successfull team is BS Frydek with 3 league and 3 cup titles in last 9 season. Our teams have played league the same league final in all of last 9 seasons and there is only one 1 different cup winner in last 9 seasons.


Yes - 2 seperate comps (or more).

Specifically 1 for all promoted Division 2 teams arriving in Division 1 and then again for all promoted Division 3 champions arriving in Division 2. Give them a bigger bonus if it is the first time they have promoted up to the new level and put more pressure on the teams above.

If teams cant break the stranglehold of the top teams in the Division then they need to assess what they are doing.

IF everyone in Czech republic Division 1 agreed to Crunch time you every game - EVERY GAME no matter what - do you think you'd win the double?

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161746.5 in reply to 161746.4
Date: 10/20/2010 8:59:37 AM
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IF everyone in Czech republic Division 1 agreed to Crunch time you every game - EVERY GAME no matter what - do you think you'd win the double?

If they do it both in game with me and Frydek, than probably yes, I would win the double (or me and Frydek would win both trophies). I would give up B3 this season so that I can use normal more frequently than usual in league/cup.
I have much higher incomes than all of the others due to gate receipts (I rarely lost even on road, at the moment I'm almost 170k above league average), merchandise (bad strategy of many of the managers in our country, I'm 65k above league average), cup and B3 incomes, playoff incomes, I invest 0 for scouting and pay almost 30k less than league average for staffs (some of staffs are not needed higher than certain level). So my team salary cap is much higher than the salary cap of the others and you know I have very salary effective players. So it's really difficult to build in our country team competitive to mine. Maybe kamikaze strategy should be the only way but still with very urcertain result.

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161746.6 in reply to 161746.1
Date: 10/20/2010 9:06:31 AM
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are they really eams who don't want to promote from div 2?

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161746.7 in reply to 161746.6
Date: 10/20/2010 9:19:04 AM
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I'm not entirely sure - but if teams had a bigger incentive to promote faster we might see different strategies or outcomes.

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161746.8 in reply to 161746.6
Date: 10/20/2010 9:44:43 AM
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In our country there were several cases when teams tried to lost Div II final not to promote because they thought they weren't ready for Div I. But I think it's always good for team to promote even if team relagates next season.

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161746.9 in reply to 161746.8
Date: 10/20/2010 9:48:17 AM
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In our country there were several cases when teams tried to lost Div II final not to promote because they thought they weren't ready for Div I. But I think it's always good for team to promote even if team relagates next season.


in our league often the poromoted teams ain't ready for div 1, but if you don't have a div1 roster you get that much money that you are ready soon. Whereas it is difficult to get stronger, in the hard fight in the top group of div 2.

So i am totally on your side with it ;)

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161746.10 in reply to 161746.7
Date: 10/20/2010 9:57:14 AM
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I think that here must be mentioned also this. If the team will promote and play that international cup in higher division at the same time, might not have enough power to hold on both (get a good position in higher league and survive int. cup).

But you cannot give the opportunity to other teams, because there could be absolutely no will to promote, in order to play such a competition in lower league. Who knows when will have such opportunity in higher league.

So meanwhile this int. cup is ment to be a price for promoted teams, could be all troubles with that fixed simply by that if it would be not a cup, but a league. So you could fight international league whole season and best of these would play a PO (after a league PO would be more interresting).

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161746.11 in reply to 161746.10
Date: 10/20/2010 10:08:16 AM
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I'm not sure if I understand you. B3 games are played in arcade mode (no TIE, no CT), minutes are not counted for training. So teams can set the best lineup they have for B3. So there is no impact on league and cup games.
I expect this international competetion would follow this format as well.

Last edited by rwystyrk at 10/20/2010 10:08:48 AM