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168445.1
Date: 1/8/2011 9:22:24 AM
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OK so ive got 4 guys that ive been training this season, 2 x centres, and 2 x guards.

All are 20 years old, turning 21 in a few days. (except for one of the centres, he is 19, turning 20).
Anyways ive decided that its beneficial for me to concentrate on training one position for next season. Looking at Coachparrot, and the guys stats, i can really only train either the centre's, or the guards. Training the centre's in guard stats, is going to be pointless, and vice-versa pointless.

So my question is thus. Ive got 2 players, either centre/guard, whom i need to decide what to do with. One of the guards was probably my third best player last season, and my starting PG. But one of the centre's, was my best player last season. He is also probably slightly better stats wise, than all other players. all other players are about the same in terms of stats, and where they would end up after 1 position training, except the centre, would end up slightly better.

so im leaning towards training the 2 centre's. But should i keep the guards? they are both 20, turning 21, and if they got the occassional JS training, FT training, they would be good. Good, but not great. If i sell the centre's, i could be missing out on an opportunity to have an 2 awesome trained players in seasons to come.
Or do i cash them in now, let someone else take them and train them, get the cash and spend on replacement players who are better, slightly older and wont need any training? (this is obviously the path im leaning towards)....... i think i know what to do, just need others opinions.

NB: In australia, the word 'Centre' is spelt that way, it is correct, apologies, i know its spelt differently in the game, its just my habit in spelling it that way! weird i know. go figure.

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168445.2 in reply to 168445.1
Date: 1/8/2011 2:12:05 PM
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If i were you i would cash in now and use that money to get a couple decent players and some 18 year old trainees. Plus if that 19 year old center is good already you will get even more money out of him from someone who wants to continue training him.

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168445.3 in reply to 168445.2
Date: 1/8/2011 8:29:35 PM
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well i dont want to neccassarily cash in ALL my players. Its just hard to train both Guard and forward skills at the same time.
Granted, if the guards needed some inside scoring, or had atrocious rebounding or something like that, i could maybe justify it, or vice versa with the forwards. But they just dont have that kind of make-up. and basically, when it boils down to it, there is 4 of them. Not 3, which would be ideal.

I did just have a brain wave, and that was - run through the recommended training using CoachParrot..... and look at the stats of the player after say 3 seasons. Then have a look on the transfer market for players with those skills, and of 3 years older than my player.
Essentially, what I will find it, is how much it will cost me to buy those 'trained' players. Then i can see how much shortfall in cash i will have, assuming a certain sale price for my current 2 guys.

will let you know what i find.

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168445.5 in reply to 168445.4
Date: 1/9/2011 6:15:11 AM
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Ahhhh interesting comment, because ive done some research regarding this.

Ok so what i did was use CoachParrot, on each of these players and took their stats if they each got 100% training (according to CoachParrot) for the next 3 years.

Then i took those stats, and did some very confined searches on the transfer market.

Interesting results!
Guard 1 - $1.5m
Guard 2 - $2m
Centre 1 - $2m
Centre 2 - $1.5m

So essentially, the same. So i checked out what each player was worth NOW, and again, there was very little difference, except for my PG who was about $100k more than the other players in the market. (Though, current transfer market may indiciate different results at different times of year, so bear this in mind).

So really in terms of purchase cost, for a player with the stats that i want (ie: The 'in 3 years time trained value and age), purchase cost would be the same.
The BIG difference was salary. (according to CoachParrot)
Guard 1 - $25k
Guard 2 - $22k
Centre 1 - $50k
Centre 2 - $55k

INTERESTING! Learn something new everyday. All these players salaries are currently about the same, give or take $1-2k. But because of their secondary and tertiary stats, after 3 years of 100% training, their salaries are quite different, in fact the guy with the lowest salary now, ends up with the highest in the future.

Random dribble really, and it doesnt really answer my question..... thoughts anyone?


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168445.6 in reply to 168445.5
Date: 1/9/2011 6:32:17 AM
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I disagree with your most basic assumption that it is bad to train guards with big skills and vise versa. Have a look on the TL now for what they would be worth in 3 years if they were well rounded! Their salaries will be lower but their value will be higher. That is assuming that their secondaries are ok. So I would keep the two main trainees and play them once each in the league games for 48+, then the out of position player can be trained in the scrimmage. The 4th player can be kept and just play for you or if you can get a good price sell them.

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168445.8 in reply to 168445.6
Date: 1/9/2011 8:29:56 AM
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Ahhhhhhh yes! how true how true! I should probably clarify. I shouldnt use the word 'bad', rather,It would be 'more preferable', if i wanted to train my G as a PG, to keep training PG-based skills, because his current PG-secondary and tertiary are already quite good.

But you do raise a good point! I could very easily keep one of the guards, train him as the third 'out of position' player, and he would become quite a good Small forward.

That is a scenario I had not contemplated, thanks for bringing that up!

unfortunately, because i now have another option for these guys, i am now more confused. LOL damn.


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168445.9 in reply to 168445.8
Date: 4/14/2011 10:26:44 PM
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It is the end of the season now, so what did you end up doing?

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168445.10 in reply to 168445.9
Date: 4/22/2011 1:09:59 AM
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I ended up keeping all of them. Using one of the guards as my starting PG, and the other guard as my backup SG. So i ended up training the two forwards. They are both quite good players now, one of the guys finished 8th in season MVP voting and im happy how the training season went for them. Ive also managed to get a 7'3" centre in the draft, so i can continue my C/PF training into this season as well. Just have to make sure i dont train them so much (that their salary ends up being too big for me to keep them)

Over the course of the year, having the two guards playing with me allowed me to save quite a bit of $$$. The PG ended up becoming the weak link in the team, and ive just sold him for i think it was $300K - probably not that much different to if id sold him earlier in the season. Just bought myself a new PG. awesomeness!

The other guard im still happy to keep as my bench player at the moment. He managed to get a few pops during the season which has just tipped him that much better than other bench players, so yer, its nice to not have to worry about having a dodgy bench player.

So all in all, im happy with my decision to train the two big men. I finished second last season, so i think im on the right track!

Last edited by Coach Regan at 4/22/2011 1:11:49 AM

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168445.11 in reply to 168445.10
Date: 8/4/2011 10:21:54 AM
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You are looking very strong early on this season so keep up the great work.