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From: Horns23
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170793.1
Date: 1/15/2011 10:07:47 PM
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Can someone explain this tactic to me because i don't fully understand it

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170793.2 in reply to 170793.1
Date: 1/15/2011 10:12:12 PM
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The offense will get the ball to a outside shhoter and he will shoot most of the shots. In other words it focuses on 1 guard.

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170793.3 in reply to 170793.2
Date: 1/15/2011 10:45:36 PM
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But you cannot choose the guard that will take most of the shot...which is too bad. But generally the best shooter takes most of the shots (at least that's what I've heard).

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170793.4 in reply to 170793.3
Date: 1/15/2011 10:55:50 PM
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yeah it would be better if we could choose the guard and yes it picks the best shooter.

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170793.7 in reply to 170793.1
Date: 1/18/2011 4:57:48 PM
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I've played it, and these guys aren't quite right.

Here is the exact data posted in the other forum about the new tactics- I have two games worth.

First Game

set it to TIE, expecting to lose the game, and ended up doing a lot better than I'd thought- here's some raw stats for the game.

My starting SG played the full 48 minutes, and took 25 of the team's 89 shots, roughly 28% of the total shots taken.
My starting PG payed the full 48 minutes, and took 7 of the team's 89 shots (missing them all, might I add?), a bit less than 8% of the total shots taken.
The SF Position was split 26/19/3 between 3 players, with some stats not quite accurate, because two of the three got a couple minutes at Center. I'll estimate that 29 of the team's 89 shots were taken at SF, about 30% of the total shots.
The PF position was played by the same guy the full 48 minutes. He took 12 shots during the game, about 13% of the total shots. He also led the team with 13 rebounds.
The Center was split between 5 players (strangely enough!?!) with 44 of those minutes being split between 3 players that can provide me reasonable statistics, because the other 4 minutes were by players who played mostly SF.

The team's rebounding suffered severely. Only 36 rebounds is the lowest number of rebounds the team has gotten since season 11 (my first season in BB). That being said, 13 of those 36 rebounds, over 1/3 of the total, were made by the Power Forward. The starting Center, who played 34 minutes, only had 2 rebounds. He also fouled out.

20 assists is a large number for my team; the average my team usually gets is around 13-16 a game.
At least 5 and at most 9 of those assists were made by the Center position, the reason I say this is because of the one player who got 3 minutes at Center and 26 at SF, who had 4 assists. The starting center had 5 assists in 34 minutes.
4 assists were produced from the SG position, and 4 were produced byt he PF position. 2 assists were produced by the PG, and the remaining assists (at least 1, and at most 5) were by the SF.


Second Game

I can't specify how fast the pace was of the game featuring Outside Iso, but...

Knowing he was using Look Inside, a 4 of 5 pace (I'm use a number system to judge pace so that I know, 5 being fastest, 1 being the slowest.

In the past, I've played a majority of Run and Gun, which is a 5 on my system, I'd played a couple of games against look inside. The most recent of which was a game in which the total number of shots taken was 190, with 22 total turnovers. Comparing this to a Look Inside vs Outside Iso game, in which there were 186 shots taken and 20 turnovers, I'd estimate the pace of an Outside Iso offense to be around a 3.7-4.0 on a 5 point scale.

Looking back, I found an additional set of data which might be helpful. Late last season, I played a scrimmage. I hadn't noticed until now that my opponent used Outside Iso (and Outside Box and One). The data is a bit skewed due to players playing multiple positions during the game, but I'll try to estimate to the best I can.

WOW, this data is gonna be hard to sum up about right- one guy played 3 different positions it appears.

SF took about 35 of 101 shots- that's 34.65% of all shots. 13 of those shots were 3 point shots.
SG took about 23 of 101 shots- that's 22.77% of all shots. 16 of those shots were 3 point shots.
PG took about 12 of 101 shots- that's 11.88% of all shots. 4 of those shots were 3 point shots.
PF took about 20 of 101 shots- that's 19.08% of all shots. 2 of thsoe shots were 3 point shots.
C took about 12 of 101 shots- that's 11.88% of all shots. 1 of those shots was a 3 point shot.

The team was much better than me, however, so this data's a bit different than an equil-ish matchup.

63 rebounds for the team, divided 28 to the C, and 15 to the PF.
15 turnovers, 6 of which were given by the PF position.
19 assists, including 8 for the starting PG, 6 for the starting SG, a

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170793.8 in reply to 170793.7
Date: 1/18/2011 10:06:16 PM
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Good show. If you don't mind asking you, who is the better shooter: your SG or your SF?

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170793.9 in reply to 170793.8
Date: 1/18/2011 11:54:18 PM
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Well, the second game of data I posted was actually that of a team that played AGAINST me, but the first set of data was from my team.

In that particular game, believe it or not, my SF's (there were 3 players that got minutes at SF) were the better shooters:

The lone SG has 7 JS, 8 JR, and 2 IS

The starting SF, who played about 26 minutes, has 11 JS, 7 JR, and 7 IS.
The backup SF, who played about 19 minutes, has 8 JS, 9 JR, and 6 IS.
The reserve SF, who played about 3 minutes, has 11 JS, 8 JR, and 1 IS.

All three that played SF that day are actually trainees at the guard position; I just wanted to try something different since I knew the game wasn't mine to win.

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170793.10 in reply to 170793.9
Date: 1/19/2011 11:16:15 AM
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So that seems coincidental with the definition that the tactic will make your best perimeter shooter take most shots.

I think I'll check it for myself on my next match, I'll post my conclusion here as well.