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From: malice
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Date: 2/21/2011 11:35:08 PM
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But they gutted the team to get him.

Wave bye-bye to Felton, Chandler, Gallinari, Mozgov and Randolph (to the T-Wolves). To get Melo, Billups, Shelden Williams and Renaldo Balkman.
And Billups has said he doesn't want to play in NYC.

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Date: 2/22/2011 12:28:05 AM
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Actually, I think in the NBA, you try to get two or three top players and then add the players around them as best you can. Without star players...you just don't move the dial in the NBA.

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Date: 2/22/2011 3:13:14 AM
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I think the problem with this situation is that both Amare and Melo have been too greedy. Both want to talk about building a contender and all of that but they're both after money more than anything and going after max contracts.

You either do what the guys in Miami do and take a small paycut to leave the team room to add extra talent or you go after max money and admit it's all about "me".

NYK have just made themselves an Atlanta caliber team for the next few seasons, that's about it.

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Date: 2/22/2011 4:17:50 AM
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What a big deal. Is Melo really worth the trade? I'm not convince. The Knicks should have been patient & wait for 2012. Dwight Howard, Chris Paul & Deron Williams are turning FA in 2012...

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Date: 2/22/2011 5:39:23 AM
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Actually, I think in the NBA, you try to get two or three top players and then add the players around them as best you can. Without star players...you just don't move the dial in the NBA.

The thing is, the pieces were there. Gallinari, Chandler and Felton were all decent players for the Knicks. And Mozgov a good project.
So... Billups (who'll walk post this season), Fields, Melo, Amare and... Shelden Williams? G'luck with that team.

The difference between Melo/Amare & James/Wade and (to a lesser degree) Bosh is that they can create others shots, and move well without the ball. Oh yeah: and James/Wade are pretty nifty defensively.

I think the problem with this situation is that both Amare and Melo have been too greedy. Both want to talk about building a contender and all of that but they're both after money more than anything and going after max contracts.

You either do what the guys in Miami do and take a small paycut to leave the team room to add extra talent or you go after max money and admit it's all about "me".

NYK have just made themselves an Atlanta caliber team for the next few seasons, that's about it.

Difference is that the Miami guys were FAs, and could do that. Denver were always going to take max value for this, and Dolan stupidly pushed to do it.
Yes, they're better. Marginally. But at best they're a EC Semi-final exit.

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Date: 2/22/2011 6:16:06 AM
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Sad to see Gallo leave the Knicks.

Could the Knicks add Deron Williams or Chris Paul in the offseason?

on a side note, anyone watched the All Star Game? Knew Kobe will push hard for MVP being that it was in LA and this could be his last All Star Game in LA.

The dunk contest was lame, Ibaka did a dunk from the free throw line and he couldn't get a 50 from the judges? the Blake Griffin dunk over the car with the choir and all was hard to watch too.

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Date: 2/22/2011 11:26:42 AM
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I'm not saying that Melo and Amare comparable to Wade and James, but they are moving in the right direction. Although Gallinari, Chandler and Felton are decent players...I honestly don't think any of them are more than pieces that can be replaced. Its the superstars that aren't replaceable.

Maybe the Knicks can sign AI.... :-)

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Date: 2/22/2011 12:38:04 PM
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Actually, I think in the NBA, you try to get two or three top players and then add the players around them as best you can. Without star players...you just don't move the dial in the NBA.



There are some examples of championships won by depth more than stars. Detroit Pistons for their second series of championship runs comes to mind.

GM-Direwolf wrote:
NYK have just made themselves an Atlanta caliber team for the next few seasons, that's about it.


Everyone bags on Atlanta. Atlanta is a top 4 East team, the Knicks still arent. I seriously doubt the Knicks win a playoff series this season. All Melo means to them this year is they dont miss the playoffs.


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Date: 2/22/2011 3:21:51 PM
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All Melo means to them this year is they dont miss the playoffs.


I don't even think he means that much, since the Knicks were playoff-bound without him anyway. All Melo means is that we're once again trading the team's future for a quick fix that may or may not work. That's Dolan's specialty.

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Date: 2/22/2011 6:04:26 PM
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I agree. Not to mention they could have positioned themselves for Chris Paul/Deron Williams types in later seasons, which they needed more of. It's like an odd type of lack of patience, they haven't grown into a contender this year, and even in the future Stoudemire/Anthony just isn't as good a collection of "stars" as Wade/Lebron/Bosh.


Pundits seemed to be saying that the Knicks would still have a shot at Paul or Williams...maybe even a better shot now.