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I'm taking it out from SF discussion, cause it concerns the game in general
The more I think about the more brilliant the idea seems. New skill:

Athleticism! (Dynamic Vertical Reach, Flying, Leaping Ability)

It's the leaping ability together with height and reach. Up to 6'7 you don't generally see a lot of loss in athleticism, but thanks to their height these players are the highest flyers in the game. Then towards 7'0 you generally see a notable reduction in leaping ability, which is however partly offset by height.

1. It follows BB's training speed trend e.i. it depends on height. Here 6'7 being fastest, 5'9 and 7'5 slowest.
2. It transitions smoothly with NOBODY getting short changed. The SFs some people worked so hard on get a slight advantage due to initial skill set up. 6'7 respectable, 6'6 and 6'8 average and so on with 5'9-6'1 and 7'1-7'5 atrocious.
3.The salaries balance out, what a miracle!
4.You can play SF trainees more as SFs. Athleticism training: SFs/Wingmen/Forwards/Team
5.Players of all heights can be valuable not just 5'9 and 7'5 players.
6.BB will become more realistic, which will increase interest in BB! Athleticism will affect JS, OD some, IS, ID, RB, SB some more.
7.Shot Blocking can gain strength and cease to be an unprofitable skill, another winner!
8.The introduction of Athleticism will bring a lot of excitement to existing BB members, stopping them to give up on BB.
9.The Dunk Contest during the All-Star break, which is in the plans according to the manual could come to life. The most athletic players would be chosen.
10. Athleticism can help regulate fast breaks, that people want introduced.
11. There aren't any negatives. Of course a lot of work needs to be done. But since there's a commitment to change and improvement by BB anyway, why not this?

Last edited by thylacine at 3/16/2013 5:56:55 AM

This is the right way of thinking about this, in conclusion the SFs training should balance out so they can be as useful and worthy as all the other positions and Athleticism is a nice additional feature so I like it. Only problem is the name some might say athleticism come in all sizes especially in the short height but thats just the name which isn't that important.

Well, how about "Vertical Reach"? Anyway here's the explanation:

leaping is normally a stuff, the small guys could be better, and your system works exactly like the system today ;)

Yeah, but it's not about how far their feet are off the ground, is it? It's the leaping ability together with height and reach. Up to 6'7 you don't generally see a lot of loss in athleticism, but thanks to their height these players are the highest flyers in the game. Then towards 7'0 you generally see a notable reduction in leaping ability, which is however partly offset by height. So to make athleticism train fastest for 6'7 players would make a perfect sense.

Last edited by thylacine at 3/24/2011 9:59:26 AM

That's a nice suggestion. Athleticism is a very important part of real basketball. But you have to make sure that players with low athleticism can still compete.

They'll compete, but on more realistic level.
You take two players with atrocious JS and OD, one is 5'9 the other is 6'6. OK, and let's say atrocious DR and HA. Two amateurs. Do you think the 5'9 guy can compete? Yet, miraculously after 14 weeks of equal training for both the 5'9 guy will own 6'6 guy, c'mon!

Athleticism!

1. It follows BB's training speed trend e.i. it depends on height. Here 6'7 being fastest, 5'9 and 7'5 slowest.
2. It transitions smoothly with NOBODY getting short changed. The SFs some people worked so hard on get a slight advantage due to initial skill set up. 6'7 respectable, 6'6 and 6'8 average and so on with 5'9-6'1 and 7'1-7'5 atrocious.
3.The salaries balance out, what a miracle!
4.You can play SF trainees more as SFs. Athleticism training: SFs/Wingmen/Team
5.Players of all heights can be valuable not just 5'9 and 7'5 players.
6.BB will become more realistic, which will increase interest in BB! Athleticism will affect JS, OD some, IS, ID, RB, SB some more.
7.Shot Blocking can gain strength and cease to be a useless skill, another winner!
8.The introduction of Athleticism will bring a lot of excitement to existing BB members, stopping them to give up on BB.
9. There aren't any negatives. Of course a lot of work needs to be done. But since there's a commitment to change and improvement by BB anyway, why not this?

Maybe for now BB could implement only #2(initial set up) as a hidden skill, like aggression. It can be very subtle as well: 10% effect on JS, OD and 25% on IS, ID, RB, SB. But of course the possibility to develop athleticism in a player would be much more exciting.

Athleticism!

1. It follows BB's training speed trend e.i. it depends on height. Here 6'7 being fastest, 5'9 and 7'5 slowest.
2. It transitions smoothly with NOBODY getting short changed. The SFs some people worked so hard on get a slight advantage due to initial skill set up. 6'7 respectable, 6'6 and 6'8 average and so on with 5'9-6'1 and 7'1-7'5 atrocious.
3.The salaries balance out, what a miracle!
4.You can play SF trainees more as SFs. Athleticism training: SFs/Wingmen/Team
5.Players of all heights can be valuable not just 5'9 and 7'5 players.
6.BB will become more realistic, which will increase interest in BB! Athleticism will affect JS, OD some, IS, ID, RB, SB some more.
7.Shot Blocking can gain strength and cease to be a useless skill, another winner!
8.The introduction of Athleticism will bring a lot of excitement to existing BB members, stopping them to give up on BB.
9. There aren't any negatives. Of course a lot of work needs to be done. But since there's a commitment to change and improvement by BB anyway, why not this?

Maybe for now BB could implement only #2(initial set up) as a hidden skill, like aggression. It can be very subtle as well: 10% effect on JS, OD and 25% on IS, ID, RB, SB. But of course the possibility to develop athleticism in a player would be much more exciting.

but the main problem is that the giants are so weak currently ;) And why should player start to throw better or weaker from one day to another, or rebound etc. If you train skills you already train everything which is part of i, which means for rebounding blocking out, leaping etc. I think you could every skill in BB in a dozen smaller skills.

Athletism at least for me isn't also a skill where this size had an advantage^

but the main problem is that the giants are so weak currently ;)

?? Why are you talking about giants? The change is mainly beneficial for 6'6- 6'8.

And why should player start to throw better or weaker from one day to another, or rebound etc.

To neutralize 6'7 guys disadvantage, to make it realistic, to attract more people to play BB?

If you train skills you already train everything which is part of i, which means for rebounding blocking out, leaping etc. I think you could every skill in BB in a dozen smaller skills.

Try, and you actually see that Athleticism should be in 6 of them, not just RB and SB.

OK, so maybe it's more like 10% affect on JS, OD, RB, SB and 25% on IS, ID. So you don't have to change GE for RB, SB.

i talk about giant, because a main argument is that the medium sized guys are so weak. And personally i love a medium size guy more then a 7 footer as a draft.

Try, and you actually see that Athleticism should be in 6 of them, not just RB and SB.

and we could end with 100 skills in the end ;) At some point u had to make generalizing, and even atletticsm could be separate in speed, strength, balance, leaping, acession etc. And for me lot of those skills didn't favour the 2m guys, when you watch on the professionals in that sports.

Just to stop the absurd argument and help people to come out of denial.

BBs player heights divide evenly in three groups:
a) 5'9-6'3
b) 6'4-6'10
c) 6'11-7'5

Question 1: Which group contains most superstars and the best players in real life?

Question 2: Which group contains most superstars and the best players in BB?

Last edited by thylacine at 3/25/2011 12:47:52 PM

Q1: No ideas, all of them but sometimes one group has advantage and the next years the other ;)

Q2:
i would go for morel and kienbink as the superstars of BB, and player nearly every franchise had ;)