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From: ned
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Date: 3/7/2008 4:05:14 PM
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Strange discussion but the prices of the bids are now foolish compare only to last season; it means that there are a lot of teams that have a lot of money and for the economic balance probably that's not good. The top teams in the first 2 or 3 divisions are able to save a lot of money, instead the youngest teams are having troubles cause they don't have cash. I know BBs want to "separate" the top divisions with the others but the prices are rising very fast. Don't you think something must be done to stop a little bit this process?
Trading is still the fastest way to became rich but even if you're not a trader is too easy to earn money in the top 3 divisions; this situation is another advantage for traders and for people that is able to speculate on the market keeping the training an optional.

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18646.2 in reply to 18646.1
Date: 3/7/2008 4:11:07 PM
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I think the impending salary hikes are going to change this. In fact, I'm guessing that this upcoming hike is going to shock some teams and we'll see a lot more good players on the market - meaning that supply will go up and prices down.

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18646.4 in reply to 18646.2
Date: 3/7/2008 4:19:41 PM
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So are they definately happening during the all star break again? damn, looks like i made my TM move too early (but in time for our game)

From: brian

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18646.5 in reply to 18646.1
Date: 3/7/2008 4:20:58 PM
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I said it in other threads and I'll say it here:

Lower teams appears to be over-exaggerating the difficulty of their financial situations. For example, I can point to three new teams that I'm more aware of:

Coworker 1: she started at the beginning of this season in division 4, is in 2nd place and has over 200k in funds at the moment. She has 5 good trainees, a level 10 coach, and just last week purchased a non-trainee starter for over 100k. Her economy, IIRC, is a slight week to week deficit and she was out of the cup in the 1st round, though there are still 2 TV games left in the season.

Wife: Started last season in division 4. Started training program and got up to a level 10 coach sometime last season. Added 1 or 2 reasonable non-trainees, and has 5 good trainees. She promoted to division 3 in her first season, is in the middle of the pack there, and has over 400k in reserves.

Coworker 2: Started the beginning of season 3 in division 4. Didn't get the best training program going and until a few weeks ago, had a very low level coach. Though, he has built up some very solid trainees and has about 4 good ones. Didn't promote last season. This season, he just lost in the cup yesterday, is in the playoff zone, and will no focus efforts away from the cup and towards improving in the league. He has over 300k, and has spent 200k or so on non-trainees.

Even for one of the above cases, who didnt run the most efficient program and after almost 20 weeks is just now getting some of those things fixed, he's still in a very good position to make a run at the title.

It's understood that salaries are low, and top divisions at the moment are doing very well. But, we are competing with each other and have to over-spend for what are still not the most mature players the game will see over time.

Last edited by brian at 3/7/2008 4:22:20 PM

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18646.6 in reply to 18646.2
Date: 3/7/2008 4:22:00 PM
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Probably you've reason, the salary of my best players raised of only 2k during the last update, if they will go up again of 2k this will not be a problem for me, if the salary will not raise proportionally but exponentially I'll have some problems but in this case BB will follow hattrick with all the troubles that hattrick has with the salaries of the best palyers.

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Date: 3/7/2008 4:45:53 PM
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I'll have some problems but in this case BB will follow hattrick with all the troubles that hattrick has with the salaries of the best palyers.


The training prevents this.

Uber-training one skill will make a player who is really good in one skill, but sucks overall.

Balanced training will see the player perform much better, and the salaries wont rise a massive amount.

I have a hunch, backed by no evidence but gut feel, that a player's salary is mostly dependent on whatever their highest main skill is.

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Date: 3/7/2008 4:46:32 PM
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The salary of my starplayer doubled at the last update, from 5k to 10k. It will probably go to 18k or something now.

But indeed salary updates will not really solve the problem, since most of the risers will be only the trainees, and since most teams only have 5 trainees or something this will not really have a huge influence at the balance.

The most important update is adding weekly arena costs imo. The bigger teams out there can just keep expanding the arena without paying more. That shouldn't be possible, running a 20k seats arena without paying anything. It's not realistic and not good for the economy here. I see teams making easily 300k+ revenue from a home game in the I.1. That's even more than a TV-Game in II for example.

I never understood why there weren't arena costs yet.



Last edited by BB-Patrick at 3/7/2008 4:47:02 PM

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Date: 3/7/2008 4:49:27 PM
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But indeed salary updates will not really solve the problem, since most of the risers will be only the trainees, and since most teams only have 5 trainees or something this will not really have a huge influence at the balance.


Don't forget that most of the players on the TL have been trained since the beginning of the season also.

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18646.10 in reply to 18646.8
Date: 3/7/2008 4:49:47 PM
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I agree, I think all arenas over 19,999 should incur a 500K per week penalty.

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18646.11 in reply to 18646.10
Date: 3/7/2008 4:53:07 PM
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lol it's not about a penalty. It's more about maintenance costs. Electricity, keeping the stadium clean etc.
Oh yeah capacity doesn't really matter in the story, that was just an example.

Edit: Oh now I do understand the joke lol. Sry little slow today.

Don't forget that most of the players on the TL have been trained since the beginning of the season also.


Oh yeah, good point. I'm not very active at the TL, so I guess that's why I didn't think about it that way hehe.



Last edited by BB-Patrick at 3/7/2008 4:56:33 PM