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I can only assume there are other Raptor fans here. I've included a poll to help summarize people's views on the franchise. Does our future look good? Any chance of making the playoffs this season? Is our front office clinically insane?!? Discuss!!!

Poll:  How do you feel about the state of the team?

I like whats happening.
Que lockout, no season,
or at least drastically shortened.
Getting another high pick next season.

a core of

JV
Davis
harrison barnes/ quincey Miller????????????????????????? / James johnson
Derozan
Kabongo??????? / Jerryd Bayless


seems prettz solid to me. Ship bargnani out for some pylons and were almost set.


BTW whatever happened to the non-BB forum

Agree with this - great core going forward, but they're a couple years away. JV, Davis and Amir are a solid trio up front and we'll be able to get something for Bargnani. DeRozan just needs to learn to play D (which he should be able to do). SF and PG are question marks, but Bayless and Johnson will do for now, and we'll fill one of those spots with next year's draft - maybe even get a 2nd first round pick for Andrea.

Raptors as is, will never amount to anything more than MAYBE a first round playoff run. Colangelo needs to go. I just dont think he is making his decisions for the betterment of the team (roster depth). IMO, he is drafting all of these euros to fill up the stadiums and taking advantage of Toronto's multiculturalism. (not saying theres anything wrong with euros, but thats not what the team needs right now considering european players are generally not as strong and needs time to adjust to the NBA).

I have lost faith a long time ago in this franchise. There is a reason that stars never stay in Toronto. Raptors won't be relevant in the NBA for a long time (assuming that they will be headed in the right direction in the future)

BC 1st round draft history
2006 - bargnani (lets face it, at the time, who could pass up on a 7 footer than can sink 3s and supposedly compared to dirk, especially with bosh handling the 4?)
2007 - none
2008 - roy hibbert (traded for jermaine oneal which everyone thought would pair up great with bosh)
2009 - derozan
2010 - eddy
2011 - JV (ok fine, 1 more european)

In the current roster:
calderon was a babcock signing which BC actually tried to trade before MJ nixed it
so besides kleiza (cheap deal imo), barbosa (brazilian) and alabi (nigerian), the rest of the team is american

not sure about drafting ALL THESE euros comment

i still feel BC was limited in his first few 2 seasons trying to fix babcocks mistakes, then the next 2 trying to please bosh... NOW hes finally got the financial room and roster flexibility to really build HIS team from the ground up

i still feel BC was limited in his first few 2 seasons trying to fix babcocks mistakes, then the next 2 trying to please bosh... NOW hes finally got the financial room and roster flexibility to really build HIS team from the ground up

Sorry but I think that's a complete cop-out.

From the moment BC showed up, he's been all about the quick fix. He's an extremely impatient GM. And because of that, he never fixed the team properly and never found a 2nd (or 3rd) all-star level talent to play beside Bosh. You simply can't contend in the NBA without stars and now he has 20 win team completely void of all-star level talent. This mess is completely his making and nobody else should be blamed for it. That's what happens when you don't take the time to build a bad team properly.

As for fixing Babcock's mistakes? There were none left to fix my friend. He took over a team with a all-star player still on his rookie contract (bosh), a team with about $15-18 million in cap space and they had just won the rights to the 1st pick in upcoming draft. BC was handed an almost ideal rebuilding situation and (sadly) completely f'd it up. We'll see if he can get it right with his 2nd try but my confidence in BC started with a 10 and has dropped to about a 2. Hopefully I'm wrong. At least he appears to be avoiding the quick fix mentality this time although he still seems to have a unhealthy attachment to Bargnani.

(none of the above should be considered an endorsement for the completely incompetent Rob Babcock)


Last edited by Beener not Beanerz at 8/1/2011 6:10:05 PM

I was unclear, when I said draft I meant draft/trade

sure a 7 footer who can sink 3s looks great on paper, but what else can he do? He gets tossed around by players who are much shorter than him. and like I said, this team needs more defensive stoppers that have inside presence and BC doesn't get that. What ever BC tried to do to please Bosh obviously didn't work and they lost him for nothing in the free agency. which means he is a dumbass.

i wouldnt say he hasnt tried to get a 2nd/3rd star behind bosh
from tj ford to jermaine oneal to hedo, BC has tried in my opinion
its just that his visions just never really panned out the way he wanted
but he has fixed his mistakes quite quickyly

i totally agree with his quick fix mentality though, which has probably pushed the overall team development a few seasons back
1 should also consider the fact that most perennial contenders are way over the soft cap and for whatever reason the raptors (MLSE) have never put that much money into the payroll... this also factors in why we cant have a proper 2nd or 3rd star and maintain the bench depth

It's not going to be a fun season.

There's going to be a season?

Season or no season, it won't be fun.

On that topic though, I think there's going to be a sizeable amount of the season lost to the lockout.