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From: GWgw
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Date: 8/5/2011 3:24:59 PM
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So, if your player has high stamina (strong, proficient) they will likely play 40+ minutes in a competitive game. However, that means if you start them twice in the same week they will have played more than 80+ minutes, and convention says that if that is sustained their GS will drop.

But then that would mean in order to maintain good GS for a high stamina player you would have to play them as a starter only once a week. This seems to contradict the whole idea of them having good stamina!

So my question is, do you think stamina plays a role in determining the maximum number of minutes played without losing gameshape? (i.e. Players with higher stamina can play more minutes in a week without losing gameshape)

From: rcvaz

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193416.2 in reply to 193416.1
Date: 8/5/2011 3:27:17 PM
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Doesn't it depend on the substitution pattern and on the quality of the backup?

But regardless of the level of stamina, it's always tricky to have a player start the two league games without having him play 70+ minutes (unless one of the games is a blowout)

From: CrazyEye

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193416.3 in reply to 193416.1
Date: 8/5/2011 3:49:38 PM
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i have no problem with my high stamina players.

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193416.4 in reply to 193416.1
Date: 8/5/2011 8:48:26 PM
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It seems to me that there is a correlation between game shape and stamina.

My only evidence is this player (14780845). He played 87 minutes last week and still popped in game shape. He has proficient stamina. I'd be willing to bet that if his stamina were lower he would have regressed in game shape

From: Adam

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193416.5 in reply to 193416.1
Date: 8/5/2011 9:21:14 PM
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I agree, my evidence to is a guy with strong stamina who played 86 mins and popped to strong GS (16243137).
Three others in my team played between 60-70 minutes and have inept stamina. They stayed at respectable GS


Last edited by Adam at 8/5/2011 9:21:30 PM

From: yodabig

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193416.6 in reply to 193416.5
Date: 8/5/2011 9:31:52 PM
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My federation studied all the players on several teams for an entire season and looked at their minutes and GS every single week for the whole season. We even had a serious scientist who was doing some analysis on the figures and we found out that...

game shape is a black art. It makes no sense at all. There were players who constantly had good minutes and bad game shape.

There have been a ton of suggestions as to why this is the case, stamina, effort in games played, age and even another aspect of their "hidden personality" - ie some players like more minutes than others. We can't figure it out.

From: Adam

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193416.7 in reply to 193416.6
Date: 8/5/2011 9:34:32 PM
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Oh ok, wrecks my theory then hey :p
Just seemed so obvious when I logged on and he had strong GS but I'll take it anyway!!

From: yodabig

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193416.8 in reply to 193416.7
Date: 8/5/2011 9:46:30 PM
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Nope, it is still a theory, just as good or bad as ours.

Here is one example of one of my players from last season.

Kent Masters (12019972) Point Guard Owner: Chelsea Seagulls Weekly salary: $ 21 059 Age: 25 Stamina: average

Kent Masters respectable 53 res 66 res 50 res 54 str 2 (injured) ave 0 (injured) med 48 ave 82 res 68 res 69 res 86 str 85 pro 0

So you can see to start the season he had 53, 66, 50 and 54 minutes and was only above respectable for 2 minutes! Then he was injured. When he came back he got 48, 82, 68 and 69 and was still just respectable. In the end it took 11 weeks for him to get above respectable GS and play a proper game and he finally hit proficient on the last update of the season once the season was over!

Last edited by yodabig at 8/5/2011 9:48:09 PM

From: kpd

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193416.9 in reply to 193416.1
Date: 8/6/2011 12:06:08 AM
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i dont think its related it seems random to me cause one of my players (921762) played 84 mins and he has strong stamina and his game shape went down... and then my pg (18060410) played 80 mins n he has respectable stamina n he went up to strong game shape...... i kinda think it mite be related to age but idk if thats true but i have kinda noticed that with my team

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193416.10 in reply to 193416.6
Date: 8/6/2011 12:41:43 AM
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That's really interesting. Do you still have any of the data you compiled?


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193416.11 in reply to 193416.10
Date: 8/6/2011 5:55:25 AM
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We do we have an entire thread dedicated to it in our federation. I can't say if any of the other guys are willing to share their data but I don't mind.