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From: rcvaz
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Date: 8/27/2011 10:41:57 AM
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This is probably a familiar issue, but I don't think the estimates for the arena expansions are working. I have made two expansions recently. The first one was estimated to last 8 days and it lasted (at least) 15. The second one I've been paying close attention, I made it on Aug 18th, with an estimate of 8 days, and today the estimate is 6 days... Please don't tell me "it's just an estimate", I have given this answer in the forums to people whose construction is a day or two behind schedule. When it's taking twice as long something's not working right, either the construction update or the inicial estimate

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195192.2 in reply to 195192.1
Date: 8/27/2011 11:00:57 AM
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Please don't tell me "it's just an estimate"

So, you want no answer then? :-)

The thing is, you cannot prove it's not working by presenting a couple of hand-picked examples. You would need to conduct a fairly large study to show that the estimates are systematically too much off. The fact that the estimate is often within one or two days of the actual end of construction, and in some cases even spot on, suggests that the code usually works pretty well by design or by luck. Your latter example is fairly extreme, but not crazy enough an outlier to suggest to me there really is a bug. It is after all just an estimate, and we know there are often delays.

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195192.3 in reply to 195192.2
Date: 8/27/2011 11:51:50 AM
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You don't have to tell me about statistics either ;)

What I'm saying is that two expansions that were estimated to last 16 days (combined) will last twice as much. I'm not sure how it works, is it that every day at the update there's sort of a coin flip that decides whether to remove a day from the remaining time? In any case, this expansion has been stuck at 6 days left for at least 5 days, so if the probability of not decreasing is P, then the probability of not decreasing 5 times in a row is P^5. If P is 1/2, this would be 1/32 ~ 3%. But it can't be anywhere near 1/2, because then expansions would never finish close to the estimates...

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195192.4 in reply to 195192.3
Date: 8/27/2011 1:43:47 PM
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I'm not sure how it works

Exactly, me neither. As long as the BB's are saying it works as intended (and especially if we assume at least one of them has taken a look at the code to double check), we really need pretty good proof to show there is something fishy. A couple examples is no proof unless the errors are completely ridiculous (let's say more than 1000% off) and/or systematic.

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195192.5 in reply to 195192.4
Date: 8/27/2011 6:24:21 PM
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I guess I'll start monitoring other people's arena expansions :P

From: alexiker

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195192.6 in reply to 195192.1
Date: 8/30/2011 6:33:05 AM
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I made it on Aug 18th, with an estimate of 8 days, and today the estimate is 6 days...


hey, i have the same problem... i started the construction also on the Aug 18th... estimated 10 days... but the last 8 days it still at 7 days left...

i know it is estimated, i know at the finance update it will reduce 0,1 or 2 days... but 8 times 0 days??? thats more than bad luck...


just my 2 cent...
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195192.7 in reply to 195192.6
Date: 8/30/2011 11:13:37 AM
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I don't think this is a bug, this seems to be the BBs intention with the code. I think something for the suggestion forums is to suggest reducing the inaccuracy of the estimate (which is a suggestion I'd strongly support myself).

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195192.8 in reply to 195192.7
Date: 9/6/2011 11:39:17 PM
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Yeah, I had an arena expansion last month that went over by 5 days. (Supposed to be 7, lasted 12)

I honestly don't even know why we have 'estimations.' Why not just have it take as long as advertised? Does this feature bring anything extra to the game?

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195192.9 in reply to 195192.8
Date: 9/6/2011 11:49:15 PM
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I think the idea was to add more uncertainty, so you can't plan out exactly when and how much you need to build to have it ready just in time for a home game. I don't mind that uncertainty, but when it goes 5, 6 or more days off the estimate, it just gets really frustrating when it doesnt have to be.

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195192.10 in reply to 195192.9
Date: 9/7/2011 12:01:45 AM
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But is it really so wrong to have it ready just in time for a home game? Would people have really complained and asked for this feature if it hadnt already existed?

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195192.11 in reply to 195192.10
Date: 9/7/2011 12:30:38 PM
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But is it really so wrong to have it ready just in time for a home game? Would people have really complained and asked for this feature if it hadnt already existed?


No it doesn't make it wrong. But the BB's don't want 100% certainty on a lot of things (i.e. training sublevels, potentials, etc). Which is fine with me, actually.