Yes exactly, that's what i was saying about jump range, it really is the slowest, found that out weeks ago. So by thursday night its now down to either jump shot and outside def. I know outside def is the most important and i may decided to train outside def for gaurds, not looking so much for a "pop", although i am, but just as long as the positions that i'm training, the players get 48+ minutes, i know they improved, though i'd like to see pops.