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From: Duck
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Date: 11/23/2011 6:14:57 AM
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Hello everybody

In yesterday's game this happened:

3 1:31 46 ā€” 78 It looks like that we're now in garbage time.
3 1:31 46 ā€” 78 C. Mayr (H) will come off the bench to replace D. SchĆ¼tzner (H) at PG.


Looks like garbage time. Well, yes. True.
But what makes C.Mayr (14719570), obviously not a PG, play the PG, and if it is even for two minutes?
This is the result: Both PG-trainees have got 47 Minutes on PG now.

Is it a Bug? Is it a mean and dirty dwarf in the game engine, tryingto make me mad (which definitely succeeded)? What is it???

Cheers
Duck

From: Ashurri

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Date: 11/23/2011 7:18:30 AM
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Yea, happened to me before too. Made me (hypothetically) tear my head off.

From: GM-hrudey

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Date: 11/23/2011 10:06:12 AM
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I had this happen last week and figured it out.

When garbage time triggers, your coach brings in all of the backups. But if the garbage time triggers when one of your starters is going to the line, his backup can not replace him, so if you have set up a trainee for 48 minutes properly, unfortunately the backup to the FT shooter will replace the trainee instead. I lost two minutes last week on one of my PGs for the same reason.

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Date: 11/23/2011 10:23:48 AM
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Thanks, hrudey

Guess you're right. Actually my PF waited for his FT when the garbage time player (a PF) came in. But i cannot see the sense of replacing the trainee! A trainee playing Point Guard!
I know, sometimes things happen in this game that are not quite logical. But this is ridiculous...

From: GM-hrudey

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Date: 11/23/2011 11:00:29 AM
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Thanks, hrudey

Guess you're right. Actually my PF waited for his FT when the garbage time player (a PF) came in. But i cannot see the sense of replacing the trainee! A trainee playing Point Guard!
I know, sometimes things happen in this game that are not quite logical. But this is ridiculous...


It's definitely frustrating. At least it's a scenario that's not very common, but it's one that I'd like to see fixed.

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Date: 11/23/2011 4:45:00 PM
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You wont see it fixed because BBs dont like players playing 48 minutes and that is a way of penalize it.

you can minimize it by taking a maximum of 9 players (2 trainees) or 8 (1 trainee), so once subs for the non trainees are in for garbage minutes, there are no subs for the trainees.

The problem is is fouling out or injures,in both events you will have a player out of position.

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Date: 11/23/2011 8:23:37 PM
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You wont see it fixed because BBs dont like players playing 48 minutes and that is a way of penalize it.

you can minimize it by taking a maximum of 9 players (2 trainees) or 8 (1 trainee), so once subs for the non trainees are in for garbage minutes, there are no subs for the trainees.

The problem is is fouling out or injures,in both events you will have a player out of position.


I am quite well aware of this. The situation I am describing and what the original poster went through is not at all helped by your advice, though. Take the following generic lineup which describes mine perfectly and I assume the original poster as well:

PG: PG1 - PG1 - PG1 (trainee, set for 48 minutes)
SG: SG1- SG2 - SG2
SF: SF1 - SF2 - SF2
PF: PF1 - PF2 - PF2
C : C1 - C2 - C2

Now, normally when garbage time hits, the #2 for each position comes in and the starter gets 48 minutes. But garbage time starts when SG1, SF1, PF1 or C1 are going to shoot free throws, the backup will replace the PG1, since the guy shooting FTs can not be replaced.

In theory, the way around that would be to have the same guy backing up two positions (e.g., C and PF) so that if SF1, for example, is at the foul line, SF2 can replace either PF or C. But I'm not sure if that would work entirely either and recreating the situation on demand is unlikely for non-developers. It's a minor nuisance really - the OP in this thread lost a minute or so, I lost maybe 2 - but it's on a different level than just complaining about not being able to set minutes exactly or whatever.

From: GM-hrudey

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Date: 11/25/2011 10:15:28 AM
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This may be the problem:
PG: PG1 - PG1 - PG1 (trainee, set for 48 minutes)
SG: SG1- SG2 - SG2
SF: SF1 - SF2 - SF2
PF: PF1 - PF2 - PF2
C : C1 - C2 - C2

I always play mine like this:
PG: PG1 - NONE - NONE
SG: SG1- SG2 - NONE
SF: SF1 - SF2 - NONE
PF: PF1 - PF2 - NONE
C : C1 - C2 - NONE
and I don't have any problems in garbage time.


That wouldn't solve this particular problem either. If your PF is going to shoot FTs and garbage time is triggered, PF2 will replace PG1. I've never had any problems with my set up and people who have reported problems with leaving slots empty generally haven't found problems with it, but the free throw situation is an exception.

From: Duck

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Date: 11/25/2011 11:38:36 AM
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If your PF is going to shoot FTs and garbage time is triggered, PF2 will replace PG1.

So, in this situation the PG is going to be replaced, right?
At least, this happened to me and to you, two out of some 50.000 managers. Ever heard of anybody else going through that? Is it just bad luck for the both of us, or a real bug?

Only a BB could answer that, I know ;-)