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204715.1
Date: 12/16/2011 12:09:28 PM
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How should I train this guy?

Age: 19
Potential: Perennial Allstar

Jump Shot: respectable Jump Range: average
Outside Def.: mediocre Handling: inept
Driving: mediocre Passing: mediocre
Inside Shot: pitiful Inside Def.: respectable
Rebounding: average Shot Blocking: atrocious
Stamina: mediocre Free Throw: average

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204715.2 in reply to 204715.1
Date: 12/16/2011 1:24:12 PM
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First off, at age 19 with those stats he is probably not an ideal training candidate. He could be servicable for D5 but you should try to get an 18 year old with at least all-star potential in the draft. Once he hits 20 next season your ability to train him will drop off some.

Regardless, how to train a SF is a little tricky because it depends on whether you want him to be big, small or balanced. You could start with 1-position pressure training. If you did that for the rest of the season you would likely get 2-4 pops in OD, and 1-2 pops in HD, DR, and ID.

But to be perfectly honest I would only use this guy as a trainee as a way to fill in the 5th or 6th spot if I was looking to 2-position train JS for a while.

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204715.3 in reply to 204715.1
Date: 12/16/2011 1:35:37 PM
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I don't think this guy is too bad to train. Sure, an 18 year old is more ideal, but this guy has solid enough starting stats, has no huge holes in the OD/JR/PA skills, and he has very nice inside defense. Plus, because this guy was on the Eagles' initial roster draw, he's treated as a home draftee when it comes to considering merchandise payback.

If this were my guy, I'd probably train him single position in the main guard skills for the rest of this season, and then his entire 20 and 21 year old seasons. I'd pump OD the rest of the way, maybe stick a PA training in there, and do 1v1 on short weeks (next week's all star game week, and playoff weeks if you don't have an extra game, the first week of next season). You could do 1v1 guards, for the better JS increase, or you could do 1v1 forwards, which would basically split the JS into JS/IS. If you do that, he'll certainly be a good player for you in D4.

This is essentially gonna make him into a guard, and given his height and low IS, I'm not sure he's a long term possibility at SF. He could be a decent PG/SG or outside oriented SF though.

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204715.4 in reply to 204715.3
Date: 12/16/2011 2:00:34 PM
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First off, Thanks a lot to both of you.

Secondly, won't only training him every week just kill the game shape of my other players?

I'm in the running for winning my league, sitting at 12-0, and I don't want my chances to be ruined because my players are out of shape.

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204715.5 in reply to 204715.4
Date: 12/16/2011 2:21:47 PM
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Well, I would play him 48 minutes in one of the games per week, and have him backup a second game. That way he'll usually be in the 60-70 minute range. My three trainees who are getting time like this are all at 8-9 GS.

Note though that your time in D5 is actually the easiest time to train like this. Things are only going to get more challenging if you promote to d4.

And as for whether you train this guy or get another trainee, part of the battle (for me at least) is sticking with a trainee for a few seasons (assuming they're ok, which I think your guy is). Better to give one guy multiple seasons and creating a player who can contribute as you promote, than train a lot of guys for just a season, where they'll be lucky to be backups in D4.

One thing in Walton's favor is that you know his foul tendency. He shouldn't be that hard to get full 48+ minutes per week, since you probably won't risk a lot of foul outs.

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204715.6 in reply to 204715.5
Date: 12/16/2011 3:02:46 PM
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I know his GS will be fine, I'm talking about the rest of my players GS. My whole team is based around my post players so I need them to have decent GS for my team to be successful.

Also, how exactly do you train only 1 position? The lowest I can go is 2? (Wingmen, Guards, Forwards, etc)

Last edited by Intensity at 12/16/2011 3:05:51 PM

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204715.7 in reply to 204715.6
Date: 12/16/2011 3:40:51 PM
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well, you only have to start 3 players in a scrimmage, so with that, and your league games, you should be fine to get your main starters, who aren't being trained, 50-65 min per week. Usually I'd just start your starting post guys in both league games, and not play them in the scrimmage. There's no benefit to them playing in a scrimmage, and they can get hurt.

To single position train, any player who gets minutes at that one position will receive training. But remember that to get the full benefit of training a guy needs to have 48 or more minutes combined from the minutes that week. Since there are usually 3 games per week, at a maximum you can get three players 48+ minutes in the training position. To do this you'll need to have each guy play the entire game in the training position.

Say for example you want to single position train OD, which requires playing at PG. You have trainees A,B,C:

You might set up your lineups something like this

League Game 1 -> PG: Trainee A in all three spot of depth chart (starter, backup, reserve)
League Game 2 -> PG: Trainee B in all three spot of depth chart (starter, backup, reserve)
Scrimamge -> PG: Trainee C

In these cases, the trainees who aren't starting the full game, should be put as backups in other positions, so they can get a total of 60+ minutes per week, to maximize gameshape.

(note, if you are gonna single position, you'll want to make sure that you only dress 9 players in your game lineup, have your trainee at all three depth chart options, and it also helps to ensure that the reserves of the other four, non-trained positions are set with some player (usually the backup at that position). THis helps prevent your trainee from getting subbed out by the coach. Usually the only reason he won't get all 48 minutes is because someone gets hurt or fouls out. Then all bets are off.

Now, you could always train OD using two-position training, which you can do at PG/SG. Any player with minutes at either PG and/or SG gets trained. You could have up to 6 players trained like that on a regular 3 game week of course. But two position training is slower, about 70% of single position. So most people are single position training, to maximize how good their trainees can get.

That help?

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204715.8 in reply to 204715.1
Date: 12/16/2011 6:37:54 PM
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How should I train this guy?

Age: 19
Potential: Perennial Allstar

Jump Shot: respectable Jump Range: average
Outside Def.: mediocre Handling: inept
Driving: mediocre Passing: mediocre
Inside Shot: pitiful Inside Def.: respectable
Rebounding: average Shot Blocking: atrocious
Stamina: mediocre Free Throw: average

Train outside defense rest of the season. He can get to 8-9 I think. One position training, of course...