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After some seasons seeing how the teams ending in 5th position receives more money than they should i think it's time to fix this change that was suggested on the past here on this forum.

I doubt it's good for the competition to see how a team in the middle of the season that is fighting for the 2on or 3rd position on his conference sells 3/4 of his team, have a good income x week and ends in five position so in play-off he can keep earning lot of money.

It's hard to find one game that encourages the managers to lose matchs, every season i see lot of managers that instead of fighting on play-off they prefer to finish on the five position because it's better for their economy, but this it's not only a fight for the 5th position, the teams ending in 3rd or 4th position they also start to sell his team before play-off so they are also able to earn a good income during the play-off weeks. I'm not joking when i say that during this last seasons i saw hard races between the teams trying to end the 5th.

BB's introduced this change to create an equilibrium between the managers playing on play-off and the others that weren't, but this change is seriously hurting the health of the competition, every season we see more managers doing stand by's and the rating effect of the last season performance it's not enough, season after season we see a poor competition in play-off.

I remember my first seasons, all the managers were excited to play in the play-off even if they finished in fourth position, all of them tried to play their best for play-off, but now the play-off it's a pretty boring time, only 2-3 teams try to fight for the championship and the other ones sold their players to earn money


- It would be more fair that if you don't pay salaries you also don't receive money from TV contract&shop.
- Also the minimum of salary for the teams should be dramatically increased to avoid stand by's 3-4 weeks before the play-off.


PD: Once upon a time we had a real competition, where the managers were really worried to win all the matchs they could, but now it seems that we are only worried to win more money than the others and this is doing that lot of managers start to be bored of this game.

I invite all of you to suggest different formulas about the incomes in play-off, i'm pretty sure that we can suggest to the BB's a good change to stop encouraging the teams to lose matchs&earn money.

I like your approach. The combination of a higher salary floor (at least 60-70% of the average salary or alike) and reduced TV income during off-season sounds both justified and reasonable.

it might be shortsigted when the BB are right with the visitor income in the next season, maybe a change to something easier to see would be good for the user. But then the bonus for the last season should be avoided also, and you get the money directly after or during the off season.

With the salary floor we had also to consider the small nations, or in my eyes find a solution for them ;) I remember a new team in a small nations div one who had an instant salary around 200k through the floor, which was hard to pay. And we have some countrys with half full first leagues but old teams, even when it is not much fun for beginners anyway(from my POV).

Also i think the floor shouldn't change weekly, so at least it should be something like the average of the last season as a basis for the formula.

PD: Once upon a time we had a real competition, where the managers were really worried to win all the matchs they could, but now it seems that we are only worried to win more money than the others and this is doing that lot of managers start to be bored of this game.

when was it, before that manager tried to get 6th instead of 3-5th place, and make bigger cash in tanking(and already did). But in this scenario i saw at least the difference, cause there i made roughly 40k more the week as a fourth then the 5/6(a walkover problem switched the final place of the team so he played relegation, but drafted as fifth so i doN#t know if he was counted as a f5 or 6 placed team).

Although I'm new in this forum (couple of months I guess), this issue is keep rising.

I cannot say for sure that the current calculation does not make it a fair game for those who finish higher, as I don't know the affect on the Arena's fullness and the merchandise affect on the succeeding year.

What I think is the first thing that is needed to be done is to put some of it in the open as price money (for example).

The thing is that the salary-floor can be far away from the league average salaries.
This is due to the fact that there is no Salary-cap, and hence those who wants to compete for the title, just can purchase much above that floor.
Moreover, when the winner is known (or the teams that are much stronger due to money difference), teams don't fight during the season, and we cannot blame them. It happens in the real BB as well.
Adding a salary-cap and a luxury-cap will do the work here in more than one way.
Those two tools are designed to make a league more competitiveness, and by that will also resolve the case of users who do not find it "relevant" to compete.

Is, "add a salary cap" your solution to everything?

Is, "add a salary cap" your solution to everything?

The fact that it can solve many of the problems in BB, just proves how much it is needed.

What can we learn from the fact that you could not contradict what I've wrote about that?

What can we learn from the fact that you could not contradict what I've wrote about that?

To be completely host I was just skimming through to get rid of the unread posts and noticed that you once again proposed a salary cap. It was merely an observation. I tend to read the posts you make because sometimes I get a good chuckle out of them.

It was merely an observation.

I was not trying to contradict anything. I have not read the thread, I could not contradict anything. I was making an observation out loud.

- For my it's clear that the salary-floor should be much higher than it is now. That would decrease the number of teams which throw an entire season to win money doing a stand by. I really don't think this change could be a disadvantage for anyone. You've mentioned a disadvantege for small nation teams, but small nations teams earn a lot of money very quickly which should help them to reach to that salary-floor. Or if they don't reach to it, they would continue earning money weekly.
As example for what I have said, this afternoon a team from Kazakhstan second division was biding over 3 million for a guy in the TL. How can this team, with the following transfer history http://www.buzzerbeater.com/team/176477/transferhistory.a..., and with his initial arena (he haven't even change the initial prices) have won over 3 million in less than 2 seasons playing in BB??
After seeing this example I really don't think teams from little countries would be worried about a posible raise in the salary-floor.

- In the other hand, I think that the most fair way of getting incomes during playoffs would be as is done in the cup.
In this new formula no team would have to pay any salary, and no one would have tv and merchandise incomes during playoffs. Teams would receive a cash amount only for winning PO games, the more you advance in PO the more money you get for each won game.

With this new formula, being 5º wouldn't be as good as it is at this moment, and being 3º or 4º and advancing rounds in POs wouldn't make teams lose money. Meanwhile, the money received for the play-outs would have to be little comparing with the money received for POs so as not to give advantages to those positions.

The only disadvantage of this solution would be that teams would be able to get players with great salaries just before POs as they wouldn't have to pay them. But this solution would have multiple easy solutions as the following ones:
1) Paying salaries during POs only for players adquired 2-3 weeks before starting POs.
2) Paying only the difference betwen the average salary of the league and the salary if the team during POs, or the double of the difference to punish this action more.



Last edited by Jonidas at 1/12/2012 7:54:24 PM