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From: Manimal
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Date: 8/4/2012 4:09:47 PM
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First of all, im training PG abilities and I find it hard to train 3 players for full 48 min per week. What tactics should I use for that?

Secondly I have 2 trainees im not sure about whats the best potentially.

The first one is an 18yo Shooting Guard with Respectable OD and JS but awful or even atrocious PG stats his height is 6,8ft.

The second one is an 19yo Small Forward with Strong JS and Respectable OD,ID and JR but awful and mediocre PG stats, his height is 6,2ft but his Potential is Allstar compared to the 18yo's Perennial Allstar Potential.

What is the best one to take?

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222973.2 in reply to 222973.1
Date: 8/4/2012 4:34:56 PM
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To answer your first question, you should set one of them as a starter in one game, then you can switch to the other guy being a starter for the second game. Tactics wise, use the offense(s) that will utilize your team's strength.

For the 6'8" guy, you can either fire him or keep him for scrimmages to help manage minutes.

To be honest, I would keep and train both Marshall and van den Bos. They could be the cornerstones for your team for seasons to come. van den Bos is 6'5", so his height will affect his training a little bit. Since he has decent starting skills for an SF, I would train his guard skills. If you want a true SF, then I would move onto his inside skills. IF not, just make sure you don't load him up with too much JS/HA, as they cause big salary increases and eat up cap room.

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222973.3 in reply to 222973.2
Date: 8/4/2012 4:45:31 PM
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Ok so I did fine now! Just started thinking about the waste of that Hussain guy I bought. Is he sellable? He is estimated in a range of like 100-180k...

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222973.4 in reply to 222973.3
Date: 8/4/2012 4:56:08 PM
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No, unless some users wants a scrimmage scrub for 1k. He won't sell anywhere near 100k.

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222973.5 in reply to 222973.1
Date: 8/4/2012 5:06:51 PM
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I vote for neither, I wouldn't waste time training either of them if I were you.

The draft is coming up in a couple of weeks, even if you don't get a great prospect the market will be flooded with perennial all-star and superstar potential 18 year olds for cheap that you'll be able to train from scratch.

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222973.6 in reply to 222973.5
Date: 8/4/2012 5:36:04 PM
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Yeah ok, but I bought him already... Marshall isn't really sellable either huh? So the estimation thing for players is really off? Since he is worth 200k occurring the estimation tool

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222973.7 in reply to 222973.6
Date: 8/4/2012 5:57:05 PM
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no use it to ur advantage it will help you in the regular season to do rip-offs and steals, that's what I do actually......try to do it then list them for $1.

some guys actually said I would never sell guys at high prices, but they were wrong. I'm the Joker (from Bat Man) of the TL.

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222973.8 in reply to 222973.6
Date: 8/4/2012 7:00:19 PM
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So basically the Estimation thing tries to estimate the value of your specific player by comparing him to the prices of players with "similar" skill sets. They do this by picking a few primary skills for your player (e.g. respectable JS) and then comparing that to 'recently sold' players who also have similar age/potential, with a similar level in that skill. However, this method has several flaws. For example, a well-rounded player will always be misjudged by the TPE, since the TPE is only comparing one or two primary skills. Secondaries will drive up the price considerably, but won't be evaluated by the TPE (imagine the difference in price between a center with 1 OD and 1 passing and one with 8OD an 8 passing). Also, it may compare the price of your player to a player sold at the beginning of the season. Your trainees right now have just about finished their 18yo season, making them essentially 19yos from a training standpoint, but the TPE is comparing them to 18yos fresh out of the draft with their whole 18yo season of training before them.

So those are two major ways a TPE can mis-evaluate a player, which is why most experienced managers consider it only a very rough guideline. In your specific case, the TPE is high because the players are 'old' 18yos but likely being compared to 'young' 18yos from the beginning of the season. Also, both players have poor secondaries (especially passing and IS on Marshall), which means that their true value is lower than some of the players they might be compared to. That's why the TPE is giving you a value that is too high for your player's current market worth. I hope this helps clear things up for you.

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222973.9 in reply to 222973.8
Date: 8/4/2012 7:46:03 PM
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Also, it may compare the price of your player to a player sold at the beginning of the season.


Most of your post I agree with and has great information. The sentence above I take issue with - it doesn't look back as far as the start of the season. I don't know the exact time frame but I think it's definitely no more than a month and quite possibly just one week.

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222973.10 in reply to 222973.9
Date: 8/4/2012 8:06:07 PM
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You're probably right, I just thought I remembered hearing that somewhere when I was reading about the usefulness (or lack thereof) of the TPE. That would make more sense anyway.

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222973.11 in reply to 222973.6
Date: 8/4/2012 9:15:35 PM
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That's the beauty with this game, if you buy a player and don't like him you can turn around and sell him and use the $$$ on a player that you like better.

Don't get caught using that estimation tool to value players, it's a very general guide. I've seen players that are worth several times the value and the opposite. Look around the transfer wire for a bit and you'll see what players are sold for, that will help you gauge who's a value and who isn't. Also, if you're the only bid made on a player, chances are that you paid more than what that player was worth.

Last edited by Beener not Beanerz at 8/4/2012 9:22:48 PM