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From: chihorn
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Date: 10/27/2012 9:32:45 PM
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So much has been debated, suggested, etc. about how weird it is to have great jump shooters be lousy free throw shooters and lousy jump shooter be great free throw shooters. But I think I finally has an idea that will help make this situation make a lot more sense!

FT training should be heavily affected by the JS skill. There's already a precedent for this idea. From the Game Manual on Training:
For the other training types, players will improve more quickly not only with additional playing time, but also a more skilled player will improve more quickly. For example, a great inside defender and rebounder will find it easier to improve his shot blocking than a poor inside defender and poor rebounder would. This encourages you to develop players with a combination of skills, but there are many combinations of skills which work well together -- you can develop players who will be a good fit for your team's needs.


I think that a player's FT skill should be able to pretty much rocket up to his JS pretty quick, regardless of the discrepancy. If a player has a 9 JS and a 2 FT, then maybe it only should no more than 4 weeks to get that FT skill up to 9. Or something like that. Let's say a pop up to 5 in week one, 7 in week 2, 8 in week three, and 9 in week 4. But once reaching the JS skill level, jumps should be more difficult, like no more than a pop for every 2 to 4 weeks of training, taking longer the higher the FT skill from JS. JR should also be a factor in FT training, too. though much smaller than JS.

So there we have it, a BB world where FT success makes a whole lot more success.

Last edited by chihorn at 10/28/2012 2:21:08 PM

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From: Phoenix

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Date: 10/28/2012 3:09:55 AM
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Good idea!

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Date: 10/28/2012 8:23:56 AM
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Great idea !!

From: rcvaz

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Date: 10/28/2012 3:19:10 PM
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I also think it's a good idea. It's hard to find examples of good shooters who are poor FT shooters (Jason Richardson from last season comes to mind), whereas non-bigs who struggle at the FT line are usually poor jumpshooters as well (Iguodala, Turner, Rondo, etc). In any case, there are two minor tweaks I would suggest:

1) Maybe a slower climb towards the JS level? It's true that good shooting mechanics are a great start, but good FT shooters still need a ton of practice. In you example, I would say the jump to 7 in 2 weeks is reasonable, but maybe after that it should go back to "normal" speed.

2) Wouldn't the training slowdown in cases where the FT skill is higher than the JS be trouble for big men? There are bigs who very very rarely shoot from outside the paint and manage to shoot FTs fairly consistently above 70% (Marc Gasol, Greg Monroe, even Hibbert). So I think that players with JS much higher than FT should get that boost, but inside players with low JS should still be able to pop in FT at the current rate.

Also, since it is rare to have great shooters who are bad FT shooters, why not make FT a secondary for JS?

From: tough

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Date: 10/28/2012 3:28:20 PM
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what about link JS training to FT? like for every JS pop .3 goes into FT? Same would work for JR too.

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From: Tuck
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Date: 10/29/2012 12:11:30 PM
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Thaht's a nice idea and would really fit to reality...

From: Alec Burke

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Date: 10/29/2012 3:58:24 PM
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Reality is that good free throw shooters practice free throws.

The main reason there are good jump shooters in BB who are terrible free throw shooters is because so many owners refuse to train free throws except for those 1 or 2 weeks a season where they can't get full training. And typically one of those is used for stamina each season as well. Pretty easy for JS to outstrip FT when one is being trained regularly and the other is not.

The original proposal seems to mostly just be putting a large elastic effect between JS and FT. I think it might be a bit much, but if there isn't already an elastic effect between JS and FT, it certainly makes sense for there to be one.

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Date: 10/30/2012 1:39:06 PM
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I agree. This suggestion is a way to make training easier, which I am not a fan of. If free throw shooting is important enough to your team then take a little time to train it. At least you can fire your trainer and save a bunch of money while you train it.

From: chihorn

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Date: 11/2/2012 9:21:39 AM
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Check this out and let me know if you still think the same way: (187744.32)

A couple of other previous threads with past discussions: (38494.1) (10407.1)

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