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From: MrG
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Date: 4/8/2008 3:51:50 AM
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Dear all knowing BB users,

could you please let me know how the positions are distributed in a 1-3-1 defensive formation?

i.e. does it go - Point Guard - Shoot Guard/Power Forward/Small Forward - Center or what other combination?

Would be nice to know for this, 'cos obviously we want our best outside defenders in the first '1' and the best inside defenders in the second '1' for this set up.

Would also be nice to know the other defensive formations as well,

Hope this isn't too silly a question?

Cheers

MrG

From: Sexologos

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Date: 4/8/2008 5:53:26 AM
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I think that it does not matter at all.

If it helps you, the first player is not always the pointguard

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Date: 4/8/2008 6:18:58 AM
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I only know 1 team who plays this tactic in real games with awsome results and is DKV Juventut de Badalona From ACB Spain (Rudy Fernandez Team)

Pg into 1

SG C PF into 3

SF into 1 cause he needs to run from side to side of the triple zone, and centers will be to slow

From: Emilio

To: MrG
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Date: 4/8/2008 10:49:31 AM
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Nice question. I don´t know the answer, but I guess the tactis are not as simple as putting some more points in your outside defense and taking them out of the inside def. Sorry for not answering, I´m just writting to support your question (not silly at all).

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From: JayP

To: MrG
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Date: 4/8/2008 12:14:54 PM
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As far as I can tell none of the zone defenses are a true 'zone'. In any of the defensive selections the match enginge still plays the defense as man-to-man. What the zone defenses do is provide a boost to certain aspects.

In a 1-3-1 the PG will still guard the opposing teams PG, the SG will guard the SG and so on. The difference is that everyplayer will receive a large boost in their Outside Defense skill while suffering a penalty to their Inside Defense and Rebounding skill.

I am not 100% certain of this but I am fairly sure. If you watch the match viewer during games when you are playing zone you can notice that if the other teams Center happens to shoot a 3 it will mention that he is under pressure from your center. Same with a PG going for a lay-up, this leads me to believe that defense is always man-to-man.

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Date: 4/8/2008 12:24:37 PM
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As far as I can tell none of the zone defenses are a true 'zone'. In any of the defensive selections the match enginge still plays the defense as man-to-man. What the zone defenses do is provide a boost to certain aspects.

In a 1-3-1 the PG will still guard the opposing teams PG, the SG will guard the SG and so on. The difference is that everyplayer will receive a large boost in their Outside Defense skill while suffering a penalty to their Inside Defense and Rebounding skill.

I am not 100% certain of this but I am fairly sure. If you watch the match viewer during games when you are playing zone you can notice that if the other teams Center happens to shoot a 3 it will mention that he is under pressure from your center. Same with a PG going for a lay-up, this leads me to believe that defense is always man-to-man.


I've seen instances with the new GE where that's not always the case.

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Date: 4/8/2008 12:30:38 PM
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Does it seem like players are actually defending a zone now and not just there opposite player? It seems like it would be tough to program but if the BB's could pull it off that would be helpful.

I do still notice that my star SG is still getting in constant foul trouble because of his bad inside defense despite playing a 2-3 zone. If he would actually stop defending the other SG's lay-ups I might be able to keep him in longer which would really help.

From: LA-André

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Date: 4/8/2008 4:18:59 PM
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Yup, that's definitely different in the new GE.

It has been quite common to see a player in position X foul a player in position Y, and to see a player in position X shooting over a player in position Y. It's not random, there's still a criteria there, and it's still more common to see X vs. X and Y vs. Y, but it's definitely different now.

As to the 1-3-1 formation. I can't give you 100% on this because it's not written in the rules anywhere, but it's rational to think it should be PG - SG, SF, PF - C. I say it's rational because it's the natural defensive order. PG will usually be the first defensive option because he'll be responsible for defending against the opponents PG, which will probably be the guy who will carry the ball from the defensive side to the offensive one, being therefore the first guy your team should defend against.

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Date: 4/9/2008 7:02:50 AM
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Written by Leucaruth:
Pg into 1

SG C PF into 3

SF into 1 cause he needs to run from side to side of the triple zone, and centers will be to slow


--> In real B-ball this is the way to play a 1-3-1 defense. The last man has to take the guy that gets the ball in both corners. Your Center stays "central" in the bucket and takes always low-post ball-side.


I am also interested if this is also the case in Buzzerbeater.

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From: MrG
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Date: 4/11/2008 2:14:34 AM
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Thanks Everyone,

good ideas and info. there!

Lively debate ... just what we need!

Good luck for the weekend!

MrG