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I've read that it is cheaper to get good bigs on the TL than it is to get good guards. Does that mean that it is better to train guards vs bigs if you had the choice? Obviously I would train a HOF big over a benchwarmer guard. But assuming these things were the same, what would you choose to train? And why is it people say good guards are worth more on the TL while bigs are a dime a dozen?

Thanks!

My feeling is it's based on two things: Your team composition, and market conditions.

It's important for you to decide what you can build around in terms of veteran talent on your team. If you have veteran bigs and younger guards who you've completed training, obviously you might forgo the cost of market conditions and find bigs to train up to replace the old guys. and the same can be said the other way.

Assuming a neutral starting point (you just started BB, or you want to completely reshuffle), then it depends on the market conditions of completed players and starting players.

I think personally that both the PG and the C are a dime a dozen. Guys with no secondaries flood the market right now, and you can quite easily pick up a decent PG and C and get yourself way up the food chain of teams in your country. The tough part is finding guys that can play the PF/SF/SG positions as the secondaries cost a lot in terms of TL value.

I try to find two guards, one with good secondaries and one with mediocre secondaries. From there, i can train each a bit in secondaries, and make the good one (who currently has 8 IS 7 ID), into an 11/11 long term, and i can get the mediocre (a 5/5 currently) into the 8/9 range and have a good SG that can shoot and defend well against 80% of my competition up until D.II. You may try the same approach with 6'10" or bigger guys that have a lot of outside skills and not many inside, but i feel as if training the outside on a big is harder to do, and additionally find that the both the PF and SF dont mesh quite as well from one another as the SG and Sf would.

I believe it is better to train guards and SF's. Partially because it tends to be MUCH cheaper because of their salaries, but also because you can buy tons of bigs on the TL that are suitable (not the case with guards). Lastly, I think they are simply more fun to train because you get to train more than just 3 skills haha

Lastly, I think they are simply more fun to train because you get to train more than just 3 skills haha :P

That's what secondaries are for.

Most people while training big men usually train inside shot, inside D, and rebounding (Aside from training one on one for a few weeks maybe). I am not saying all people, but that's just the majority. At least this is from my experiences and what I've heard from people...

There are people who do train secondaries on their bigs, but there aren't enough users doing so. And you are correct, this is the majority.

I personally like training a SF (even though I train Big Men), and think training a SF is the best way to go. There's just a few things you gotta follow....

potential: for a SF you need very high potential to get a SF to where you need/want him to be. I like PAS (perrenial allstar) potential but more then likely you'd want a Superstar guy in it.

skills: can't have one jacked up skill at all, and if a skill is jacked up, it probably has to be one of the skills easier to train. for me, a hole in RB, JS or DR/HA is easy to fix. but skills like OD and ID are very hard to fix sometimes to where they can be efficient in that level. I usually go for a 5/5 guy to begin with at SF, not too low though.

time: you'd need to have a lot of patience training a 6'5'' to 6'6'' SF. It takes sometimes longer then others to train the players.


hope this helps


btw if anybody wants to train a big man, a Big Man with good secondaries are juicy on the TL and can give you a lot of dough.

If u r planning for the long term, train SF. it's difficult to train one and difficult to find a proper trainee but the salary increases the slowest. a world class SF only 50k or so salary and a 20k-30k SF is good enough for league 3 or 4, which is totall affordable. unlike training a big man whose salary quickly grows to 50k or above in 2-3 seasons and u have to sell him to get back little money while still struggling in lower leagues

Ah I see, so a SF would be more economical to train, but I just have to take my time since there are so many skills to train, and his height is in the middle meaning none of the skills will train faster than normal? Plus, why is it a 20-30k SF is good enough for D3/4? Is it because they can play inside and outside?

u r right. outside skills train slower than short guard. inside skills train slower than tall big men. but u can always decide whether u would want a outside focused or inside focused SF. usually people prefer shorter SF as more outside skills to train than inside, so perhaps u can buy 2 short trainees and 1 6'7 to 6'9 trainee.

u can search those 20k to 30k SF on the market to get a sense of what they are like. (ignore those with high JS, HA and DR but crap in all other skills)

I believe it is better to train guards and SF's. Partially because it tends to be MUCH cheaper because of their salaries, but also because you can buy tons of bigs on the TL that are suitable (not the case with guards). Lastly, I think they are simply more fun to train because you get to train more than just 3 skills haha

If you're only training 3 skills with bigs, you're doing it wrong.