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I don't know if this idea is original, but since I'm not a supporter and can't search for a topic, I thought I'd bring it up.

Wouldn't it be a great idea salary wise, to have guards that have high ID/SB/RB and low OD (and otherwise regular guard stats), and bigs with high OD and low ID? Then you can switch them up defensively, and have very cheap players and the same overall stats. I understand it would be harder to train them that way, but as far as I can think of now it would be achievable, or am I missing something that complicates things?

Example roster
PG: JS 14 , JR 13, OD 2, HA 16, DR 14, PA 16, IS 4, ID 16, RB 15, SB 12 - $75k
SG: JS 15 , JR 16, OD 2, HA 16, DR 17, PA 15, IS 10, ID 16, RB 10, SB 11 - $75k
SF: JS 14 , JR 11, OD 15, HA 13, DR 16, PA 13, IS 15, ID 14, RB 10, SB 9 - $83k
PF: JS 14 , JR 7, OD 16, HA 7, DR 14, PA 12, IS 16, ID 7, RB 15, SB 7 - $60k
C: JS 10 , JR 5, OD 17, HA 7, DR 14, PA 14, IS 17, ID 7, RB 17, SB 4 - $55k

Training should be done at age 26 with decent starting stats, medium height and 8 potential. I used training sim and salary calc to get these numbers.

Is it just me or is this too good to be true? What does a perimeter defender need to be good? Just OD right? So in this case you'll be having 16 PA, 16 HA and 17 OD on the PG position. If you want that in 1 player you're usually paying at least 125k salary. I haven't thought all the skills through a lot yet so it could be adapted to cut salary even further or to improve skills at a small increase, but with this roster I think you'll do great on all fronts.

Simple comparison:

A Center with 15/15/15/8 in IS/ID/RB/SB and 7 in all guard skills costs 111k according to the s17 salary calculator. If you switch ID and OD, the player costs only 41k! Isn't that 70k salary difference worth the little longer training that is required?

Anyone cares to provide some feedback/thoughts/critizism?

Last edited by Jeründerbar at 2/1/2013 4:54:58 PM

I see I didn't put enough OD on 1 of the guards because when defending the PF position you'll need some, so I know that's a weakness but I guess it can be worked out. 1 less PA and HA and OD could be around 8. Please comment on the general idea, not the exact numbers

Last edited by Jeründerbar at 2/1/2013 5:20:21 AM

you try training both JR and ID up high on either a small player or tall player. This just cant work because of training speed with respect to height

That's why I said I train them on medium height players. I simulated the PG on a 6'6" player with the following starting stats:

JS 6, JR 6, OD 1, HA 5, DR 4, PA 7, IS 1, ID 5, RB 6, SB 4, Potential 9.

And as I said, training would be done at age 26 which makes for 9 seasons of training. It's long I know, but it wouldn't be too unrealistic right?


Last edited by Jeründerbar at 2/1/2013 8:27:06 AM

You won't be able to train both guards and bigs. It would be hard to find the type your not training on the market.

I'm aware of that problem. But say if a group of managers would train these type of players, then they can sell eachother the type they're missing themselves right? Or maybe on a bigger scale, if this type of players become a new trend and more managers would train players this way, it would be possible. I'm not trying to use this as a strategy for my team, but I was just wondering if the concept would work.

Theoretically it could work , but i would question an approach which relies on spending 9-10 seasons training a few of these guys with no guarantee of this being effective , to only get maybe 4 or so years benefit out of it. Add this to the fact that you are relying on other managers to train some of the other players for you to buy , i just think its unlikely this could be effective. But then again people have been burned at the stake for saying the earth was round.

Yeah I was wondering wether the idea of having players with outside offense and inside defense and vice versa would work in games, in order to have a lot more salary efficient roster. I tried to provide some numbers to show it's at least somewhat feasible, but I was looking for feedback on the idea and not so much the numbers and how it would work. I can try to work that out later if I find out people think the concept would work. I have no experience in training players to a high level so I have no idea if training them in this way takes a lot longer than in a traditional way. I don't even know if the training simulation I used is best to achieve the outcome I want, that's all to-do. I'd just like to know if the concept works, and if you have suggestions how to work it out in a better way it's always welcome.

Yeah I understand that the position would change, but I used 2 different salary calculators to make sure the positions would still be correct. I tried to find levels of skills that are on the edge of making the position change, in order for the player to be as salary efficient as possible. For the bigs it was easier, because they only need OD that's different than normal, and because the other guard skills are low compared to the IS/RB it doesn't make the position switch to SF or a guard.

These numbers were one of the first I tried, but should work. There might be better configurations but I can find that out later. I was just toying around with the salary calculators and found out that you can get immensely high OD for free on bigs, so that's when I started thinking about this idea.

Also the elastic effect must be considered when you have od and is so low its going to KILL you when training .