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242411.1
Date: 6/1/2013 9:24:12 PM
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At what FT rating do players start hitting 90%+ on FT's?
Thus far, in my experience, there isn't as much of a relationship between FT rating and FT% as I would expect.
I've got a player with an Average rating who has a higher rating than a guy who is Prolific at FT over the course of this last season (with over 50 attempts each, so the sample seems relevant). I've got a lot of players who rate Proficient on FT, and their season FT% ranges from 65% to 90%.
I suppose that their fatigue throughout the game, and their experience, comes into play to determine how clutch they are for important free throws, but overall it seems that there is a ton of variance.

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242411.2 in reply to 242411.1
Date: 6/1/2013 9:51:45 PM
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There is no guarantee that players with high FTs will hit 90% on BB. Factors such as stamina/fatigue, attempts, experience, the game situation and whether the player has been hot or cold from the FT line affect whether or not guys make FTs or not. I've had guys with FT up to prominent and sensational, that have only made half of their attempts in a game (for example, going 3-6 in a given league game). It may be that they just had a bad night. It could also be an effect of the randomness of the GE. Some things about BB are still a mystery, and that's why it's so fun to play.

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242411.3 in reply to 242411.2
Date: 6/1/2013 9:59:12 PM
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Yeah, that's true, but it makes me wonder if there is really any reason to train FT.
All in all, my team shot 76% from the line over the regular season, which isn't too bad.

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242411.4 in reply to 242411.3
Date: 6/1/2013 10:02:07 PM
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Every skill in BB is useful, but you do have a point. It's been a while since I trained FT. Most of the time, my team shoots in the high sixties or low seventies.

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Date: 6/1/2013 10:31:28 PM
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Once your players get to a certain level on FT's it really isn't worth training anymore as the law of diminishing returns kicks in. A player with mediocre (5) will generally shoot between 65-70%. A player with respectable (7) will shoot 70-75%. At that point you probably need to train FT's for an entire season to get them to shoot consistantly over 80%.

If your entire team is at 76%, I would either keep training my best trainees or start training stamina in the off weeks

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242411.6 in reply to 242411.1
Date: 6/2/2013 6:30:44 AM
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my experience is the same -- there is a variance. for some players, 5 or 6 will produce the same results as skill levels twice that.

my motivation for FTs is to make sure i do not lose a game in which i am leading in the final minutes and the other team begins hacking. i would say the minimum goal for FTs is to make sure every player who could be on the floor the final 90 seconds of a game can hit the FTs, especially the PG.


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242411.7 in reply to 242411.6
Date: 6/2/2013 1:51:52 PM
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I'm with you on that motivation for training FT's, but to really get to the point where no one is a FT liability I think you'd have to train them up past Tremendous. I'll get there some day, but it'll take a while since I don't train FT more than once per season.

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242411.8 in reply to 242411.7
Date: 6/2/2013 5:28:54 PM
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I'm with you on that motivation for training FT's, but to really get to the point where no one is a FT liability I think you'd have to train them up past Tremendous.


To me, that's just a lot of wasted training which could be put to better use and I believe that's why you started this thread in the first place.

Once a player gets over 70% he's not a FT liability. Anyone trained to respectable (7) will shoot better than 70% given a large enough sample size. Heck I've got a guy at proficent (9) and he's shooting 89% this season. Not sure why you would want to train players up to a 13 for what would amount to a handful more FT's made by your entire team over an entire season.


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242411.9 in reply to 242411.8
Date: 6/2/2013 7:36:02 PM
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If I was able to pop my average FT% from 75 to 80, that would basically average out to one more point per game, roughly projecting I shoot 20 FT's per contest. Very few of my games are decided by one point. Knowing that it would take a whole lot of training to get my team shooting 80% from the line, and that those same weeks would be much better spent training primary and secondary skills on my trainees, I believe I'm landing squarely on the side of the fence where I'm only going to train FT if my training minutes are seriously messed up in a week and I don't want to train stamina up any higher.

Looking at my team's FT%'s again, my three lowest FT shooters have ratings of Strong, Strong, and Prolific, whereas my three best FT shooters have ratings of Proficient, Proficient, and Prolific. That's a gap of about 25 percentage points with nearly the same ratings. Interesting.

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242411.10 in reply to 242411.9
Date: 6/11/2013 12:45:03 AM
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I just found a guy on the TL who is 0 for 581 in his career on FT:

http://www.buzzerbeater.com/player/13378434/careerstats.aspx

So, the answer to the question "How bad is atrocious?" can certainly be answered definitively.