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From: Bballin
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Date: 6/7/2013 11:56:29 AM
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Hello Australian community! Its your favourite Canadian BB manager here! I am here to extend an offer to the Australia community about joining an offsite community with the potential to benefit any and all communities involved with it. I have already contacted seven managers who post constantly or are big parts of Australias community with details about the site and a testdummy account that allowed them to see the site. I do not want to intrude on your community or your forum, just want to make this thread to see what the interest is like.

I have noticed a large debate related to your offsite forum and the usage/activity. Ive seen, at times, people complain about the site being down for whatever reason. This site wont have server issues(hasnt since we created it). Activity is on the community, but this site also extends to a couple other nations who are willing to help if allowed.

English Communities United is an idea that I had a few seasons back. It started around Season 18/19 and has continued since. The idea is that multiple countries have their offsite forum mixed into one to try and maximize manager knowledge and enhance the community feel. Canada, England, Nigeria and New Zealand populate the ECU, although with the lack of BB users from Nigeria and New Zealand both of those nations have been inactive for around 6 months and will most likely be removed in a couple weeks.

How does it work?
Good question. Considering that Canada, England and Australia are all strong nations we dont want our skills being leaked everywhere and we dont want eachother to know our tactics against one another right? Luckily we are all in different continents. So every other season there is a 0% chance of playing in a competitive game. Then the chances of playing the other seasons are fairly rare and happen maybe once that season. We do have a system that combats it however. We have groups. The way it works is that there are people in charge of groups. For example the Australia NT group. Someone can request access to that group and it is up to the group leader to accept the person or not. If accepted that person gains rights to view Australias NT Roster/Schedule. There would be groups for each nations NT and U21. There are also CA(Community Admins). These people would be chosen to be the communities leader. Not necessarily the NT or U21 manager. Just someone who can stay active and is trustworthy enough. Usually very well respected by the community. These people have access to the behind the scenes action and can accept users to the offsite. Can decide group leaders and can moderate their communities forums.

Each community gets their own section. With subsections within. The whole section would be called, Australia with subsections including: NT Schedule, NT Roster, U21 Schedule, U21 Roster, Genreal Discussion and anything else you would want inside your section. There are also sections that are available to everyone. Transfer ad, estimates, requests. GS and Enthusiasm guides. Foreign Scouting for NTs and U21s of other countries. Guides and Research. Suggestions for the offsite, General Discussions, Non BB related Chatterbox, and a Club Team Diary thread that allows users to have a little "diary" about their club team that anyone and everyone can comment on and help with.

Sometimes CAs will make their tactical threads public(like Canadas NT) so that they can have opinions from people all over the ECU not just people from their nation. Its been helping Englands U21/NT has been having some great success and has had some awesome results. Canadas U21 has done really well, gotten some big wins and made some gains while Canadas NT is in their 3rd ever semifinal tonight! The whole site is overseen by a BB manager who does not come from any of the nations and is completely neutral and trustworthy. He is a GM on BB and a well respected manager by all.

Poll:  Would you be in favour of Australia joining English Communities United?
Response Votes Result

Yes 5
71.4% 71.4% 71.4%
71.4%
No 2
28.6% 28.6% 28.6%
28.6%

This poll ended on 6/14/2013.

From: Bballin

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Date: 6/7/2013 12:00:11 PM
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To Note:

There was a poll held to see whether or not the ECU would like Australia to join and it was a unanimous decision to let you in.

There will be a forum overhaul happening June 18th where everything will be setup for Australia and other nitpicky things. So access to the site would not be available for Australia until June 20th. Fortunately the U21 election is not concluded until June 18th. So the U21 season does not being until June 25th, giving the manager ample time to get scouting done and put things up on the offsite and since the NT has successfully qualified for the worlds the NT season wont begin for another 3 weeks afterwards.

I would be happy and willing to answer any and all questions in this thread or through BBmail, im very active.

Australia would need to choose a CA(ASAP) if you decide its a good idea to join so that our main admin can have a discussion with them.

The ECU is ecstatic to extend this offer to Australia and we would love it if you could join! Looking forward to any discussion forthcoming :)

Cheers!

Last edited by Bballin at 6/7/2013 12:04:56 PM

From: Bballin

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Date: 6/7/2013 12:42:42 PM
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Also, sorry I feel spammy, an explanation to why you voted yes or why you voted no would be ideal. I dont want any misconceptions. Id be happy to explain any worries or concerns.

I repeat, im not trying to force anything on Australia, as I cannot. The decision is conpletely yours. One of managers I contacted asked me to create a post like this in order to guage what Australia wanted. I assure You that I mean the best :)

From: mllama

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Date: 6/7/2013 7:27:59 PM
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You want us to join a forum called english communities united in the weeks before the ashes?

Haha, I am indifferent. Though I am not sure what the forum provides above what we already have on our offsite.

From: Trikster

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Date: 6/7/2013 8:14:19 PM
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From the mail I got from bbalin, I think the only difference is there is a "shared" section of the forum where all countries can share information if they want. The rest, I would think, is exactly the same as the current offsite forum.

From: mllama

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Date: 6/7/2013 8:16:57 PM
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Then I guess the question is are people more likely to use this one than the other one - the current forum we have is functionally pretty good. It is just that noone is using it at the moment.

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Date: 6/7/2013 9:40:03 PM
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That is the problem, no one is using the current offsite forum so will they use the new one? Probably not. Who knows, maybe the addition of other nations can "spice" up the activity in the offsite forums.

For me its the convenience, I'm too lazy to log into several forums to check and look for stuff when I can just find everything here on the BB forums/federations.

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Date: 6/7/2013 11:22:00 PM
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yup federations FTW!

In case anyone missed mine, 8 ppl to go!

(http://www.buzzerbeater.com/community/fedoverview.aspx?fe...)

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Date: 6/8/2013 6:51:04 AM
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Both our NT managers have been busy and not posted a lot recently. One of the keys for these roles is to engage the wider community. Real life gets in the way sometimes.
If this site is more reliable and has some other stuff going on I think it may be worth looking at. But we would not have all the history on the old forum. Unless someone moves it all over.

From: Mr J

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Date: 6/8/2013 10:45:24 PM
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From the mail I got from bbalin, I think the only difference is there is a "shared" section of the forum where all countries can share information if they want. The rest, I would think, is exactly the same as the current offsite forum.


This is not enough of a reason---in my opinion---to have it replace an offsite forum we already don't utilise; I just can't see the benefits being worth it imo...


From: Bballin
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Date: 6/10/2013 11:54:06 AM
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I see plenty of talk regarding that there is not enough difference or reason to switch. Now I have not seen Australias Offsite so I cannot say what we have that you dont, but I can quickly skim over it again.

We have Transfer Ads, a little less important now that player ads have been brought back on BB, but we have them.
There is a Looking to Buy section where people can post what they are looking for in hopes that someone else will be selling that.
There is also a Transfer estimate thread so people can get opinions on pricing from others.
There are training guides, tactical guides and research all being done.
Theres a wealth of foreign scouting at both the NT level and u21 level.
There is ample space for people to ask questions and get help for training or for their whole club in general.

We have two active nations in England and Canada, with people that are happy to join in on tactical discussions for any country. England and Canada have both seen success since the offsite, whether or not the offsite truly effected that remains to be seen however.

Sometimes a reason for NT managers to not post is because they rarely get responses. Ive seen that be the case. With many more people available there is more opportunity for response hopefully leading to higher activity for the NT manager and more activity from the rest of the community.

For me its the convenience, I'm too lazy to log into several forums to check and look for stuff when I can just find everything here on the BB forums/federations.


yup federations FTW!


Not everyone has supporter, can get supporter or are willing to get supporter, but still feel the need or want to contribute to NTs/U21s or be part of a community. BB forums provide zero privacy for things like tactics and roster skills. Federations limit the amount of people you have contributing. Both options are inefficient.

Having two tabs open at once is not a big deal. I try and link the offsite in as many places as possible. Its in my Forum signature and its on Canadas NT Press Release. One click and then a username and password that you can just keep the same as BB is not too difficult. You can even make it so that it keeps you logged in. Then whenever you are at your computer, or on your phone, you are literally a click away from everything.

Moving things over would not be too difficult and id even be willing to do it if it really becomes an issue.

Also something else to be weary of, we are looking at trying to integrate an Instant Messenger Chat on the offsite. So whenever you log in you can chat instantly with anyone else on the site.

Only five people have voted and I have alerted 7 managers plus 6 have posted in this thread, c'mon ;)