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What are these defences best suited against. I'm guessing the corresponding isolation offences but are they good against anything else?

They can be useful against teams that play patient, assuming that you have at least one very good defender on your team.

it only work versus run and gun or push the ball.. in patient it will get picked part

Not if you have a defensive player that is far better than all your other defenders. I have one of those guys on my team, he has prodigious OD compared to the sensationals of the other guards. He can easily shut down the other team when I play outside box and one against his patient (assuming their patient gets the ball to a guard). I think Box and One wouldn't work as well against run and gun as 3-2 would. Box and One's are good when the other team had a guy playing above the level of everyone else on their team. Have you ever actually ran outside box and one against patient?

Of course. I have ran almost all the tactic maybe except princeton with success. . Patient is not just one man vs all. It finds and exploit weakness any where on the floor.. the thing the defensive players lack, the offense will find it.. box inside -one the best is defender is versus best player but if you have 4 good players the offense will find something and it pour it on with no mercy. one man cant stop everybody and the defending manager will have play that tactic with the bench as well, which is problematic if that bench doesn't have defenders in skill or exp as the starters did.

If a guard on the defense has no inside defense then the patient offense will make the Offensive guard drive or put the offensive player is place where he is effective( or to his strength so to speak), it will pull the defender away from the basket one vs one ,almost for example. That's how I see it.. I think box inside one would work good versus run and gun depends on the defenders and game shape. I also think patient can beat just about every defense.

I don't how see one defender can stop a whole good team, patient is looking for flaws in the defense not focusing on one player but sometime it will find a player that's the bread& butter in the match and pour it on., while tactics like LI. LP and etc are looking for players. Defensive wise I think man-man and 3-2 are best defenses and safer bets if have a good balanced teams. Versus a weak team Bx1 workers wonders. My opinion..



Last edited by Mr. Glass at 7/9/2013 11:02:19 PM

Of course. I have ran almost all the tactic maybe except princeton with success. . Patient is not just one man vs all. It finds and exploit weakness any where on the floor.. the thing the defensive players lack, the offense will find it.. box inside -one the best is defender is versus best player but if you have 4 good players the offense will find something and it pour it on with no mercy. one man cant stop everybody and the defending manager will have play that tactic with the bench as well, which is problematic if that bench doesn't have defenders in skill or exp as the starters did.

Patient looks for the best jump shooting/outside shooting mismatch - you could have a guy with very high IS matched against a guy with no defense, but if the inside shooter has low jump shot, the ball won't be fed to him much. Now, of course, if you have four good and roughly equal players and are playing patient the shots might be split up a bit more, but very few teams would use patient with that many shooting options and if they did, nobody with sense would advocate a box and one vs. that. The box and one is suited specifically to the Jimmer + 4 Joes style Patient offense.

the does ball get fed to a guy with good inside shooting. my pf has high is and high os. he was getting 35-40ppg+ some games.. then when I bought better shooters he still would get 16- 20ppg with about 12 rb now with sb he is adding 3-5 blocks a game.

patient is finding a weakness anywhere on the floor not the just with your best jump shooter, it my seem that way but since i trained a lot of players , I have seen how it goes to anyone, I know the skill to have.. I have way better player then my pf and but he can put 30-40 points if the mis match is there. I had games where its mix of players putting up points. Those games the defense where very high rated very good players, and still I had my pf playing lights out basketball.. A lot of teams don't use bx1, So to be honest I won versus it on lower level of play. I have beaten better team with it and I lost in a blow out with it more.

Bx1 can not stop patient from what I seen and played it and versus it on high level , maybe run and gun because lack of constant good shot selection, patient finds the best shots, the ones the player can make, sometimes its is one vs one and sometimes its the team as a whole, depends on the defense. I think 3-2 zone would a better defense versus patient than bx1. But again this is my opinion , having played Bx1 versus higher team and getting beaten like dog.. I rather play patient with 3-2 zone and get the win or least a close lost.. you cant go wrong with that. I think 2-3 zone is good if you have the right type of players. Which is a mystery

But again this my opinion, a lot of top caliber teams don't play bx1, they play Li and 2-3 zone/m2m. I have seen a lot playing PTB and 3-2 zone.. I think that is very hard to stop, as of late.

Last edited by Mr. Glass at 7/10/2013 10:40:48 PM

Huh?

the does ball get fed to a guy with good inside shooting. my pf has high is and high os. he was getting 35-40ppg+ some games.. then when I bought better shooters he still would get 16- 20ppg with about 12 rb now with sb he is adding 3-5 blocks a game.
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A guy with good outside shooting being guarded most likely by a crappy OD big man is naturally going to almost always be the best JS/OS matchup and so would get the ball a ton in a patient. If he was a 2JS/2JR guy, he would get a fraction of the shots he'd get otherwise.

patient is finding a weakness anywhere on the floor not the just with your best jump shooter, it my seem that way but since i trained a lot of players , I have seen how it goes to anyone, I know the skill to have..

It's not necessarily the best jump shooter. It's the one with the best mismatch. But it is absolutely the jump shooting - if you play a big man with no JS/JR but very good IS at SG in a patient, despite having an absolute mismatch (or weakness if you prefer that), he won't get fed the ball. But a guard at C? Well, he'll launch shot after shot.

When considering the effectiveness of box and one defenses I think you should start by looking at your opponents roster rather than their tactics. Against a team with one stud player that does most of the scoring a box and one can be effective against a variety of offensive tactics, but against a team with a balanced roster, there is almost always a better defensive tactic to choose.

Inside box and one could be effective against an unbalanced roster if the team runs LI, LP, II, BO, or PTB
Outside box and one could be effective against an unbalanced roster if the team plays BO, PTB, or OI

For two reasons, I think inside box and one is more effective against inside players than outside box and one is against outside players . One, a good outside shooter may have the range to shoot over the defensive box, in which case the defense won't be any more effective than man to man. In contrast, an inside player does most of his scoring in the paint and will have multiple players trying to stop him (similar to 2-3, but with one player dedicated to shutting him down). Two, outside players tend to have higher passing skills which means it is more likely that they will be able to find another open shooter for an easy basket.

I think box and one is least effective against run and gun, patient, motion, and princeton, because these offenses are best suited to exploit one or both of the two weaknesses of box and one mentioned above (passing and jump range).

I don't know for certain. but inside shooting is a form of jump shooting in a way, it just not from much range. Please correct me if im wrong.

if I play patient and the best player is center during the game then he will get the ball a lot, regardless of jr/js. its abut the mis-match of skills. I have had my center get most point plenty of times, in my current league, his jr/js is nothing to get excited about. bx1 is a good defense but I think with the right team playing it it cn be effective, but I learned you need that exact skill on the bench as well to actually run it,, the offense tactic should be one that puts mass points on the board.