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Hey Guys,

I was hoping some of you could help me with a problem that I have seen occurring in my team lately.

I train dual position - play all 3 games a week, which means 6 x 48 minutes allotments that can be trained.

I have 5 trainees. My idea for training is that 2 players play each minute for a single game, and a different 2 the same for the league games each week - meaning these 4 layers get full training (48 minutes each). The 5th trainee plays a full game in the cup or scrimmage fixture, leaving one position for players that missed out on a full game due to fouling out or injury etc. to make up these lost minutes.

This has been working perfectly for me up until about 2 or 3 weeks ago. I have noticed recently that my trainees aren't playing the whole game like I have instructed the coach to do. They seem to be playing about 34-36 minutes each game, without fail. Even though I have them at all starting, backup and reserve for one specific position. Substitutions is on strictly follow depth chart, and foul trouble is on let them play.

Can someone please allude to me why my coach isn't doing what I have instructed him to and how I can rectify this problem please.

Many thanks

Easy answer.

Early in the season you were losing, or winning in close games. Lately you've been winning in blowouts, and as a result, your coach has been benching your starters in the final quarter. Since you've been dressing 10 players, your trainee also gets benched.

Solution is to dress less players. Dressing 7 should ensure your trainee gets 48, while dressing 8 or 9 should get you close to 48 at the very least - though there is some risk the coach takes the trainee off in the last minute or two.

and just to follow on from mllama's advice

'Dressing' a player, means having him listed in the 'Selected Players' box, as opposed to the 'Remaining players' box, on a Game's tactic page.

Also there is only 1 perfect way to 48 mins (barring fouls or injuries) in a game, and that is dress 5 players.

if you dress more than 5 players, there are other factors that come into it when the coach makes his substitutions during a blowout/garbage time - these factors are a bit of a point of discussion amongst many people at the moment.

Also as a second point - what training are you doing? If you are doing 2 position, make sure its only Rebounding or 1n1 or JumpShot.
If its not one of those 3, im afraid its castration for you.

Last edited by Coach Regan at 9/16/2014 8:20:57 AM

Coach means to say it is by far better to train one position training.
And its best to only have 2 main trainees and a 3rd lesser trainee.

Then follow this.

Game 1 - Trainee A starts - Trainee B is both back up spots.
Game 2 - Trainee B starts - Trainee A in both back up spots
Game 3 your scrim - its likey one of the first 2 may need more minutes. Most likey go Trainee C starts and who ever is not 48+ of other 2 as back up. If it goes really wrong you can start the main guy who needs it.

i stand by my castration threat.

I currently have 5 trainees. My reasoning behind this was too make enough money to build my other positions. Last year I was training Rebounding, but this year am doing ID.

Why is it bad to train dual positions?

I thought they would just train a little less but seems I am in a lower league would be better to have more than train and give myself some depth.

The training is too slow if you do not do 1 position training.
You will end up with a bunch of average players who will only be useable in Div IV and Div III.

So if people train only single position. And obviously I'm not the only one having this issue.

What are the different strategies that everyone uses for training and ensuring everyone gets the minutes they need

You are best to have 2 main trainees and a 3rd lesser one.

Game 1 start player A and Player B back up
Game 2 swap them over

Chances are one will have 48+ mins and other will be just short
in game 3 start player C and then back up player who is not 48+mins

Doing one position is vital long term. There are many options to make your player work. IF you want them in 21 NT you need to train primary skills for position first. IF that is not a goal or possiable you are better to train 2ndary skills first. Example if you want to train a good big train OD and Passing @ PG first when they are young and train quicker. Then move to training primary skills of ID/IS/RB and some SB. Then when they are a good level give them some 1on1 for forwards. This will give him skills in all areas other then JR. You have a well balanced players moving forward.

If you want particular help with your players fell free to pm their skills and I will offer advice on best way forward.

Also what level trainer do you have?

M

Also just as an aside, its quite common for newer players to the game to want to train more players to begin with - I know that i certainly did this when i started.

But longer term, you want to have focused and deliberate training plan with longer term outcomes. That is - 3-4 seasons from now. Rather than just wanting 5 of your guys to get 1 or 2 pops for the remainder of the season.

There are several benefits of having longer term plans and focusing your training on 1-2 players. Single position will help them improve faster, thus giving you more value out of the training minutes.
But there are also thigns such as the fact that half way through the season, you are getting skills from players, which you aren't paying in salary yet. (Because salary only updates at end of season). your player which had 'Strong' ID, half waythrough the season has Prominent or Prolific ID, but his salary hasn't updated yet. So this is a bonus.

You also are building players that are more valuable when you sell them. in the longer term, thats also a good thing.

So yer, Mickyster has given some other info about why its good to train single position as well, whihc is valuable info.

I go with 3 trainees and play:
Game 1: trainee 1 48mins
Game 2: trainee 2 48mins
Game 3: trainee 3 48mins

This way your 3rd trainee gets 48mins each week too and they don't have to be a "lesser" trainee. Maybe once or twice a season you'll get a situation, but you can usually avoid it by training one on one that week and giving them all 48mins still.

Just remember to still get your trainees a secong game where they play backup only so they total around 65 mins each week. This will keep their game shape in strong or proficient.