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From: Dartreb
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Date: 1/24/2015 6:05:23 PM
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I have some questions for both candidates.

1) Belgium is no big BB-country thus we can't expect players from our U21 to have international level. How would you handle a shortage in a particular area, e.g. very little quality outside players, or no SF ?

2) You will have to scout and advice owners on how to train their players. Considering 2 draftees, both 18-yos, with the following skillset :

JS 3 JR 4
OD 2 HA 5
DR 3 PA 4
IS 7 ID 7
RB 6 SB 6
ST 3 FT 3

What training would you propose ? First one is HoF potential, second one only FP. (Let's say, hight is about equal)

Thanks in advance for your answers.



Last edited by Dartreb at 1/24/2015 6:37:03 PM

From: mplume

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1) If there is a shortage, I will fill with players who can defend, pass and don't loose the ball too often. So, OD as much as possible and at least 8 in both pass and handling.

2) For the HoF, I'll ask the national coach if he want to supervise him as the player can enter the national squad at the end of the formation. But if in the end it's still me the scout, I will ask to have a coach of level 5 at minimum, 6 is better. If the owner doesn't want, I will ask the owner to sell the player considering his high potential. If the owner is agree to have a good coach, I will ask him to train his inside-skill allround (both IS,ID,RB & SB). I will ask him also to give him few weeks of passing training. 6 or 7 in pass will be great for U21 squad.

For the FP, I will try to have smthg like this at the end of U21 formation:
JS 3 JR 4
OD 4 HA 5
DR 3 PA 7
IS 9 ID 14
RB 14 SB 15
ST 5 FT 3

So the owner will have some marging to add outside skill when the player have more than 21 years.

And yes, I know IS is not so good but my priority is to have a squad who can defend so ID, RB and SB is needed in my opinion. Yes, also SB. In fact, I'm a SB and 3-2 zone believer. (as the new champion of France)

Last edited by mplume at 1/25/2015 6:46:07 AM

From: C3C

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Date: 1/25/2015 3:27:15 PM
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1) I think it depends on what kind of team the opponent have. If they play Look inside with a PF at SF , I should use a good inside defender to guard him. If they use a PG at SF , I should use a good outside defender to guard him. But most likely would be to have one player with both good inside and outside defence.

2) I consider the hight of these players is above 6'7"?
We all know the player with the HoF potential has more changes to become a future star in our National team, thats why I would advice his manager to start training his outside skillset before he starts to train IS, ID, SB or RB.
So first season I would advice: Passing till 7-8, OD till 7 (tis might require more than 1 season)
Let's say after one season his skills would be:

JS 3 JR 4
OD 7 HA 6
DR 4 PA 7-8
IS 7 ID 8
RB 6 SB 6

2nd season I would continue training his outside skills: 1vs1 SF/PF (about 8 weeks) , than JR till 7

JS 6 JR 7
OD 7 HA 9-10
DR 8 PA 8
IS 9 ID 8
RB 6 SB 6

Next season (20 years old) : pressing PG till 9 , IS for C till 11 , Inside D till 11

JS 7 JR 7
OD 9 HA 10
DR 8 PA 8
IS 11 ID 11
RB 6 SB 7

Like you all see , it has become more a SF-like player. His salary woulnd't have risen very high, but his total skill points do. In other words, I want to prepare the youngsters with potential MVP or higher for their future carreer and stimulate their managers to use their potential the best as possible. (+This one could be very usefull to play as a SF in Inside tactics.)

Rookies with potential levels 6-8 probably won't reach the Belgium national team, but can be very usefull in the U21 team. For those players, I would advise a more 'basic' training.
e.g. the player with this skillset at 18 years old
JS 3 JR 4
OD 2 HA 5
DR 3 PA 4
IS 7 ID 7
RB 6 SB 6
ST 3 FT 3

I would advise his manager to start training 1vs1 SF/PF (about half a season) and SB till next season. Next season IS and ID and 3th season RB + ID or IS. That would make him:
JS 5 JR 4
OD 2 HA 9
DR 7 PA 4
IS 13 ID 13
RB 10-11 SB 10

I think it would be stupid to make a monster player from every player. It's more unlikely to train a 100k player out of positioning than training a 10k player out of positioning.

One thing I have not mentionned is the training of Stamina and FT. I would advise every manager to do at least 1 Stamina/FT training / season.

From: mplume
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Date: 1/26/2015 5:12:31 AM
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I just want to add that the FP player I describe will have a salary of 43k at 22 years old (cf salary calculator at Buzzer Manager), so the owner will be able to train him out of position easily after is U21 year.

For the FP, I will try to have smthg like this at the end of U21 formation:
JS 3 JR 4
OD 4 HA 5
DR 3 PA 7
IS 9 ID 14
RB 14 SB 15
ST 5 FT 3

From: Dartreb
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Date: 1/26/2015 11:07:17 AM
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Thank you for your answers.