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TLDR; Player is upset that random things are messing up his obviously flawed plan for this season.

So basically, last season when I promoted to DIII for the 2nd time I planned a 2-3 season process to gaher resources and build a team for th future. Much of this revolved around a pair of Italian bigs I came to consider my Leaning Towers.

My plan was to train these two in big skills and would use the duo to lead me to the promised land. Well, I trained them both too well (random pops in IS from shotblock training hurt the most) thankfully neither came close to their soft caps but with a team salary approaching 400k, I had to sale off one.

I augmented my plan and would just lean on one of my towers, train my other future forwards and hope for a decent season (playoffs... not have to fight off relegation...). Things started off poorly with a 6 point lose to last season's conference champs on TV... and a 41% attendance (Cause not elegating and being one of the last 16 team in the National Tourney gets you 1 and a half balls for Lst Season Success... dafuq!)

And of course my 23yo 97k big gets injuried 6 minutes into the next game, will miss at least 5 games most likely... and be in 2 GS and be horrid for 2 more weeks.

I'm already bleeding money from said 41% attendance and trying to hold together a competitive roster. My ambitions of competing this season are pretty much finished but with 2 wins on the season and one team actively tanking on the other side my chances of drawing a draftee worth wasting the rest of the season are slim to none.

I have even money saved up to weather this if I want to but I won't have enough at the end of the season for the inevitable arms that will happen.

I think I need to sale off all my non-trainees and just crash back into DIV but thinking about that makes me want to quit... basically I have no plan for this. Suggestions?

Vets don't bring ROI on the transfer market they do by helping win games. Even with the terrible squad I have together right now I can compete with teams burning 4+ million to buy (5) 20-something starters cause experience matters more than people care to discuss.

Trainees that you can buy for a lower value (or even better draft) bring you more money in exchange. All my vets together wouldn't have brought the money that one of my trainees brought and then I'd have to re-invest that money for players to compete (if that's the plan).

If I'm tanking I completely agree, sell vets, go with 9 guys that get me to the salary floor and say screw it. But the issue with that is I'll definitely end up back in DIV that way... most likely without a top draftee.

You didn't have to do that. (Sell them) you could have kept them and got rid of the rest of them the olds. I think you could have won 8 -10 games with those 2 guys alone.

I would not have sold them * the olds*, I would fired them and kept a small roster (5-6 people). I would have expanded the arena with that other money up to 1.5 mill. And let just it ride, while playing to win 8-10 games.

Your next season you could get a good young guard to hold you. I think in season 32 you would've had a solid team to get that title without a doubt. Its still quite do-able.

Expanding the arena won't help until I can get to DII. A team in my league (with over 300k in salary) is pulling in 210k from gate tickets, which is what I was pushing last season with 30k fewer seats. If I hadn't messed up and set my main teams prices to that of my Utopia, I think it wouldn't be as bad as right now.

Holding 6 players is ridiculous and asking to get relegated. My "old players are 33, 33, 34, 35 (all having high TSP with the 35yo at around 100 TSP for under 20k) and 36yo american, whom I'm considering firing once my Cup run is over.

I won 10 games last season and had to play in a relegation series, with a roster better than, so you can think I'll win 8 with a skeleton crew but experience proves that approach is false.

I'm not spending 1.5 million on a guard, tha rarely affects wins and loses against high OD teams one faces in non-DIV competition.

Also, firing 33yo's lands you in DIV for a lifetime.

Expanding arena always help, its more income,. Its harder to do arena in the higher leagues.

Holding 6 players is what your going to have to do, holding 6 don't mean just have 6 . "Have 6 good players" I think you should have 8 , but 6 should be good..

I think you can win a lot of games with less, its always about tactics, That team before was not the best you ever had, I don't think. I think you made a minor error and I don't think it will hurt you as much as you assume. Its a minor setback for a big comeback Imo. Try get those key wins.

Sorry to confuse, I didn't say spend 1.5 million on a guard, I said spend 1.5 million in arena and get a guard in the market or the draft for cheap next season , build him to pass/ score, defend whatever you may need.. This will help you get the title in season 32.

I'm pretty sure you can get it, if you stay diligent and confident. Its never over, there will be mistakes but don't let that stop you from making improvements and winning games. Everybody make mistakes,, but when the season start you have to start planning, every game is different so not all the plans are going to work.

Its about youth and tactics to, yes exp matter and olds do matter. But youth does win a lot games too

Last edited by Mr. Glass at 2/7/2015 10:06:35 PM

I just drafted my guard of the future, Devin Cash, already has good secondaries which is why he is marked as a Power Forward but at 6'4" he's got combo guard/SF written all over him.

The problem with expanding the arena is ROI, building seats now that will sell for 6-7.5% of the cost to place versus a heavy build when I promote and can make 10-12% of cost. This is assuming I can promote in 2 seasons.

As of right now I could expand my lower and upper levels a bit and still be somewhat profitable and that was the plan until I started getting 6-7k draws for home games. So expanding right now would result in getting a 0% return for cost in most of my sections, so even though I have the money, it isn't fiscally ideal to invest right now. It would be better to save and invest in a player that could potentially help me win late in the year so that I can have fans want to come to games next yer. Or potentially later this season with my actual seating prices I wanted, but I have to wait 2 weeks to see how that works.

I think we are built to weather this, it's just going to suck to have to lose 300k for a player I can't use for 3 weeks now (he's still at 2 weeks left in the injury department). ANd then at least 2 more playing terribly, so half a season of no real return on his salary.

What your saying is fine no argument there,it apply to principals. I agree with your views

Investing in player is good at the same I never look at a player as long term income versus arena seats. Some look at the merchandise money and think its what important. Its ok, in my opinion. Same as some people look rebounds as big deal. you really don't need them as much as some think. Its about points in the bucket Imo. Its ok to have rebs but it not deal breaker in all phases.

Winning is important yes, but with what you have expressed I think it would best to get more in your arena to see these players, this is more money over all. Not right now, it about the future in some aspects of the game. Its always way to create money in positive manner and win with less.. you can play in the cup and win 5 times. that's 250k which is very good extra income and do-able with your team. Its not always about the regular season performance.

I think what you need is a better Pr manager. Ever phase of the game has certain pr managers for the phase your going through or trying to do. Look the staff as phases thing not as just you know staff. 3level is highest I go with staff, I just choose just one. because Its cost effective the other 2 basic, If your playing in top league then of course your going to need all the 3 staffs. This is why you need more seats now to pay them later . Not the players out right,.

Player injuries suck.. Trust me I know very well, I have raised hell ands high water to have them removed from Bb because like you said , you get nothing to compensate for these things. At same time this were tactics come into play.

My last game my pf has 10ast and is not very good player but my foes pf and center were. I have done this many times.. You can build for the tactic and win games many of them by the droves and it does not have to be expensive in cost. Some tactics are cheap in certain player worth and skill to perform. This is why I'm very positive in view that you can win a lot of games with what you have now and win the league.

As far as players and money. Wins equal money and seats don't win games.

I hadn't thought about staffing (was putting it off for a season or two until I went after an upgrade at Trainer) but I found an advanced PR for less salary then my current Basic on, so I'll get to see if that helps with my arena issue.

Seats would be great but financial its a terrible decision. Say I have another player injuried and I really need to purchase a player, but cannot cause all my money is in seats that aren't being sold. It's just dead money. I still haven't paid of my last renovation. And as far as "the future" if I don't ever move up to DII the ~240k I was making is about the max DIII arenas bring in. (I could up my prices a bit more with an optimal fan survey as well) but more seats mean lowering prices and as I said, seats don't win games.

I'm fine with injuries, I just wish I got a time frame on them this 8-20 days for a 2 week injuries is kinda bogus. I get that its more realistic but in reality players have contracts that are based on performance, not attributes. But whatever.

Tactics... well, I have my team in good position for that. The trouble is that it is going to get far more predictable with a big time scorer in the middle. Wins games, I can.. the league I don't that.

The 1st part your really wrong there. Seats = money regardless if u win or lose. If your going to lose why not get paid for it. If you want to get paid build the seats. No seats =no money . You can win every game up to b3 but if you don't you have the seats in the correct amounts, you wont have a lot of money that you could have had. doing earlier is very, very much cheaper, It does not matter if they sell out in lower leagues,you can pay them off faster when you obtain 3, 2 nbba you making surplus on those seats then. No need to do any building seats. Those seats are covered pretty much.

Arena seats is your 1st form of income and best form of income on BB(safest aswell). I understand market and all that.But please know Players are getting better and better everyday on BB so what you had yesterday might not be good enough when you try to sell it next week. Im not your players directly, Im just making valid point this applies to all teams even mines.. Market is second form of income.

Im just saying it would be wise to do when things mellow out, think about it when the time comes. If want get more players then that's your choice. Nothing wrong with tha.t But to neglect seats for player over all is not a wise move.


Btw I have made 280k a game in low leagues before here since I came back to bb. I have not sniffed 3, 2 nbba division yet again. Why because I took the time to build the seats( arena). Im making a positive 135K$ a game that after I pay for everything. This going on right now. You don't have to win a game, to actually win versus the foe on BB.. Its all about economics sometimes.

Economics you say. Alright.

If I built my bleachers to 14k and should them at $6-7 and they sell out is that better than keeping the 12250 I have (that has not been selling out) and if those sold 11k at $11 (as they were last season or even 10$.... which would be more economical?

This isn't even accounting for the fact that I have to spend money to build the seats.

One of the biggest issues is that people think bigger is better and it's only better when its optimized.

No idea how you think you are making 280k in DiV, it looks like you are making around 170-180k max on your arena right now.

You also make it seem like its a given and a cakewalk to get to the NBBA and making 6 digit profit in DIV is a given, hopefully you decide to try to poromote and see what DIII is about.