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From: mplume
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Date: 2/13/2016 2:56:04 AM
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I suggest to stop the free pass for all ex-B3 champions with an exception for the current champion.

IMO, it's an unfair advantage.

EDIT: Let me took an exemple, in world cup of soccer, it's like seeing Uruguay automatically qualified nowadays for the tournament because they won the world cup in years 1930 & 1950. I think a vast majority of people will find that absurd, am I right? But in Buzzerbeater, it's like that!

Last edited by mplume at 2/13/2016 4:49:14 AM

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276499.2 in reply to 276499.1
Date: 2/13/2016 6:00:23 AM
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Well your comparison is off: here past champions are guaranteed a spot at the "qualification stage" of the B3.

Just because one single manager has been in the KO rounds 11 straight times, usually doing much better than just getting there, it's very easy to see that most of the past champions did not do as well. This specific manager would have participated 9 times out of 11 anyway and probably 10 since his results would have been better in a season without B3.

Sounds petty to me.

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276499.5 in reply to 276499.3
Date: 2/13/2016 8:17:47 AM
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That's not how you should look at it.

The way you should look at it is: how many of these managers won a B3 title or made the semifinals or achieved whatever meaningful result in the BBB without having won the cup or title the previous season? This would mean they went deep in the BBB while they should not have been there.

Otherwise since they actually don't take away spots from other managers from their own country, I don't understand what the problem is and where the unfair advantage is. Most of them have been fodder for the teams who deserved to be there...exactly like micronations teams who have no business being in the B3 and have no business being in a D2 in most countries.

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Date: 2/13/2016 11:14:22 AM
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The way you should look at it is: how many of these managers won a B3 title or made the semifinals or achieved whatever meaningful result in the BBB without having won the cup or title the previous season? This would mean they went deep in the BBB while they should not have been there.

Otherwise since they actually don't take away spots from other managers from their own country, I don't understand what the problem is and where the unfair advantage is.


The unfair side? Money! They win money for each victory in round-robin and so on.

Let's took ESV Laim, winner in S11 (delta 15 aka 15 free pass). Have I to look to the B3 history to calculate how much money his team won with all those free pass?


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276499.7 in reply to 276499.6
Date: 2/13/2016 11:22:46 AM
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There you go. I knew it would come down to this, because I already said this is the real problem: the money managers make in B3, especially in the round robin.

I agree with you here, but the problem is the money NOT the past champions. Because the same way they get that money so do a lot of other teams which have no chance of competing in B3. Now let's sum the money made by champions when they should have not been in the competition and the money made from micronation teams when playing other shitty teams and let's see which number is higher.

The round robin should not award any money. Give some money only for reaching the top-32 and then for every win after that. That's it. I think we can all agree that those who reach the ko stages all are deserving of being in the B3, irrespective if they qualified as past champions or as micronation bot destroyers...

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Date: 2/13/2016 11:57:26 AM
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I'm agree with you for supressing money in round-robin, it isn't a bad idea (and in consequence, maybe a little more money for KO stages)

But IMO the olds B3 champions should'nt be in round-robin. If they want to be in B3, they have to win another cup or championship. It's a pro tanking team system right now.

Last edited by mplume at 2/13/2016 11:57:42 AM

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Date: 2/13/2016 12:07:02 PM
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Well then, I'd like to remove all the fodder from the competition, including all those teams from micronations who are very far from D1 level, let alone B3 level. Since you want to deal with the mouse, let's also deal with the elephant in the room shall we?

If past champions don't deserve to be in the B3, then surely these awful teams don't deserve it either...

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Date: 2/13/2016 1:36:07 PM
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At least, they have win the cup or the championship in their country, it's better than nothing.

Let's imagine the best BB manager is living in a micro-nation and with his talent, can produce a B3 competitive team for several seasons. Why doesn't he have the right to compete at the highest level? Because he's living in a micronation? It would be unfair...

If a lot of them are fodders in round robin, they can't go further. But if one of them (from micro) is realy a good team, his team can go further and maybe win B3.


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From: Phyr

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276499.11 in reply to 276499.10
Date: 2/14/2016 2:34:54 PM
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I think if you win B3, you should only get a free pass into the next season's B3. Winning B3 is harder than any cup or championship, so it ok IMHO to give them the one season free pass.