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Date: 3/10/2016 4:47:56 PM
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Bb was never like this or at least far as i remember(i play since season12). Nowadays you can't buy a single "decent" player/staff member if you don't have at least 4M and even if you have the money there are so few players/staff members that you have to wait days to buy one and hope that no braindead manager would see that player/staff member or he'll bid 10M on him...

Bb must fix this or everyone eventually will get bored and leave...at the moment the only reason that keeps me playing is training.

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Date: 3/10/2016 5:05:39 PM
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Not that I agree with it but I think this is exactly what BB wants. I think they are trying to force people to develop their own players instead of being uncompetitive for years until you have a mountain of cash and then buying a bunch of superstars.

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Date: 3/10/2016 5:57:39 PM
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No, Brutus, I don't think that can be it. There are supposed to be many, many ways to play this game. To force everyone to play the same way goes against what they say.

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Date: 3/10/2016 6:08:25 PM
Brutus Buckeye
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Well, just calling it like I see it. All the changes they've made as far back as I remember seem to align to my theory: encouraging training, reducing peoples abilities to save cash, reducing the number of quality players on the transfer list.

I agree completely with Valhalla on this, something needs to be done to deflate the market or this game is going to lose a bunch of users.

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Date: 3/10/2016 8:06:44 PM
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Brutus, "/sarcasm font off" means that what preceded it was sarcasm.

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Date: 3/10/2016 9:49:02 PM
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No worries, I understood.

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Date: 3/11/2016 6:44:12 AM
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Prices are going more and more crazy, now when you can't tank a lot money like before (bonus taxes), it will be worse, cos all those tanky guys must spent their money if they don't want to lose it in the air.. so be prepared my friend..

This is where we hold them!
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Not that I agree with it but I think this is exactly what BB wants. I think they are trying to force people to develop their own players instead of being uncompetitive for years until you have a mountain of cash and then buying a bunch of superstars.


Someone has to develop the players to allow people to buy them from the TL. If you want to develop your own players, you can always do that; if you want to wait for other people to train players for you, you can do that as well, with the knowledge that if too few people actually do the training, the supply will drastically drop and the prices will therefore dramatically increase.

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I don't really mind spending 1 million on an average player because I'll be able to sell him a season later for close to that again.

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Date: 3/11/2016 3:02:58 PM
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@ King L:
Prices are going more and more crazy, now when you can't tank a lot money like before (bonus taxes), it will be worse, cos all those tanky guys must spent their money if they don't want to lose it in the air.. so be prepared my friend.. :)
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Not that I agree with it but I think this is exactly what BB wants. I think they are trying to force people to develop their own players instead of being uncompetitive for years until you have a mountain of cash and then buying a bunch of superstars.
Someone has to develop the players to allow people to buy them from the TL.

You’re all correct. The powers absolutely want training to rule absolutely. They don’t trust the demand for players to be met because not enough people train players in this wonky training system. However, they don’t want to reform it (or are unable to do so). Consequently, all that’s left to them if to mess with the economy, as King L describes. So what if the rest of the game is wrecked as long as training rules?

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The powers absolutely want training to rule absolutely. They don’t trust the demand for players to be met because not enough people train players in this wonky training system. However, they don’t want to reform it (or are unable to do so). Consequently, all that’s left to them if to mess with the economy, as King L describes. So what if the rest of the game is wrecked as long as training rules?


Once again, you're repeating the disproven assertion that they want training to rule everything, based on your fundamental misreading or misrepresentation of a couple of lines from a couple of posts that have to be strained well beyond their breaking point to somehow fit into your fixation with this game being a training exercise. I'll just re-link a bunch of posts that let you re-read what BB-Marin himself said.

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On the current issue, though, players must come from somewhere. To elaborate:

Players must come from somewhere. When there are lots of players available (~3 years ago), prices are terribly low as players continued being dumped into free agency as the game shed some tens of thousands of teams over time. Naturally, there was also a trend of people eschewing training because rather than spend five seasons creating a player and spending the money on a trainer, the effort on minute management, etc., you could just pick up a finished player through free agency for much less financial investment and be instantly better.

Players must come from somewhere. When there are much fewer players (~1 year ago), prices are terribly high, as teams in the highest leagues for the most part still almost are forced choose to sacrifice training for the financial benefits that come with remaining competitive, so good players are still in demand. But the players who weren't being trained still don't exist, so the supply of skilled players is diminished and much higher in age, which requires more frequent replacement as skills drop.

Players must come from somewhere. When prices are not where the community wants them to be, the fixation with blaming the BB staff for "messing with the economy" always intrigues me. Messing with the economy would be creating players out of thin air to continue to subsidize low transfer prices, or restricting players from being transferred unless they've been, say, on a roster for a year. Free agency is and continues to be a very small percentage of players in the game (or to use Marin's exact words: "Also, let's not forget that the ratio of free agents versus normal players in the TL has always been rather small. ").

Players must come from somewhere. We are seeing now what happens when the player pool suffers from years (not seasons) of serial under-training. The cure for that is, naturally, players being trained to replenish the pool. Speeding up that process, in my opinion, would be a great move, but that would actually be a case of BB making a massive change in the economy directly. Unless that happens, the direction of the TL prices will continue to depend on whether enough people take the time and spend the money to train the players that you want, or whether they'll continue trying to salvage other people's efforts and keep spending even more money to do so as the merely old players become decrepit.