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278225.2 in reply to 278225.1
Date: 4/6/2016 7:11:07 AM
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1= 5-20million (I am not exaggerating at all, I can show you the math if you want, I'm being kind if anything on farms)
Even assuming I only trained 1 guy, my best trainee is my C on my main team. He has 125+ TSP and 65+ inside skills (both are lower than the actual numbers. l I have one guy in Utopia who passe 120 TSP at 24yo, but he's not quite there in terms of training cost. I trained my C for 9 seasons with trainers costing between 15-25k. 20k*14 weeks*9 seasons=2.5 million. Add on top 50k costs to replace the trainer 5 times and you end up with 2.75 million. Of course the cost should be split with the other guys I trained alongside him (there have always been at least another).

So my personal experience is obviously very different. If you go exclusively for level 7 trainers then yeah maybe 10 million (per trainee, which means 20 million in total I guess) might be more in the realm of possibilities. I don't know anyone who went down that way though.

Last edited by Lemonshine at 4/6/2016 7:13:53 AM

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278225.3 in reply to 278225.2
Date: 4/6/2016 4:01:32 PM
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So my personal experience is obviously very different. ... I don't know anyone who went down that way though.

He was exaggerating. That is his usual excuse for BS. Sort of like Donald Trump.

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278225.9 in reply to 278225.4
Date: 4/7/2016 3:51:20 AM
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Salary efficiency. Look I can tell you that my guy is better than defensive players I've seen on good NTs and more salary efficient. That is enough for me and that is exactly what people look for when building teams. Players like Hakkinen (near 160 TSP) are not Centres for a reason.

I have not seen C over 135 TSP on any team really. The German guy (who was more of a D oriented PF) was the highest I've seen on the market. Centres are a bit peculiar: the salary gets easily out of hand so you hardly ever see 140 TSP on guys with 66+ inside skills. He would probably have a salary cover 250k even now after all the reductions.

I think your whole point is about SFs type player, which is fine. It doesn't apply across the board though.

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278225.11 in reply to 278225.10
Date: 4/7/2016 6:40:07 AM
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The japanese guy's stats look a bit like my guy, he was a better scorer (not by much) and had marginally better steals, but in his best seasons he had significantly fewer boards, fewer assists and significantly fewer blocks than my kid. Note that I played my guy out of position even last season and this season is the first time he's only played either C or PF (hence the bump in some stats).

Besides he played in a micronation through most of his peak years in what looks like a farm team (1 top player and several D2-D3 level players) and he had better potential than my guy.

You don't need C position players and they don't have value that much in the top end.
Good teams will usually not use a player listed as a PF.
look, apart from the incoherence here, it's not for me to convince you. My kid has very high PA and high OD, high enough to guard most top end PFs and be effective at passing against top end PFs. He's listed at C because his inside skills are extremely high. When I gave you the totals, I used the + because I don't want to give the exact numbers, but they are higher. And beside good luck defending a guy with 15 DR, 19 IS, 17 RB with a PF with relatively low ID and RB. Yeah you might manage to get a couple of steals, but you will get butchered on the block and destroyed on the boards. A lot of PFs have stupidly high amounts of JS, which just kills your salary and your cap, punt 1 inside skill and have a low or relatively low second inside.

I went and checked the TL. The top 2 big men on the list (by TSP) have 134 and...55 and 52 inside skills respectively. Of course there are also exactly 0 C with 120+ TSP on the market.

If I use the same trainee, and the same training plan as you, but I use an L7 and you use an L4, I am going to have 15-25 more skill pops after 10 seasons and if we play eachother even with all other factors I will win.
It's like saying that my guy, could have, say, 73 inside skills, he could not. He's fully capped and the only things you could have improved are outside skills. Outside skills also count towards the cap and he has OD and PA in abundance already.

So, no, first and foremost you have to clarify that you are talking only about HoF and ATG potential players and for guard or forward positions. And second according to Coach Parrot the difference is not even close to 15-25 TSP. Even assuming it's 10%, I've added 70-75 pops, so an extra 10% (according to coach parrot is even less than that) training would have lead to 77-83, 7-8 extra pops. Your extra 25 TSP on 75 pops is +33% speed which is, obviously, completely unrealistic

Last edited by Lemonshine at 4/7/2016 11:45:11 AM