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Since I've heard someone talk about hidden factor that makes players foul much more, I've always wondered - is it worth having one dirty player on your team?

Because I feel like I have one. Pain in the bottom to train, but easily getting 6 fouls in 40ish minutes means he's actively defending, maybe even trying to punch someone in the face. Also, he has very low OD at the moment (maybe that affects it).

What do you think? Does that factor even exists? Is it a pro or a con?

Last edited by 0verW1ng at 8/3/2019 5:49:48 PM

His OD is definitely a factor.

Does that factor even exists?

One of the original BBs said it existed and that is generally accepted.

Is it a pro or a con?

Its both. Its certainly a con when you lose a player because of two flagrant fouls in 8 minutes as I did once. But I think its worth putting up with the negatives. I'll finish by quoting your own post:

getting 6 fouls in 40ish minutes means he's actively defending

This is what I think is happening. Aggressive players defend better. In real life aggressiveness leads to taking more chances, like trying to block more, steal more. That just makes sense to me, I've always assumed it and its never done me any harm here.

Final answer: both a pro and a con, but more on the pro side for me.

If there is one thing I can say for sure about BB, it's that you can't compare it to the real world and the way basketball is played.

Aggression is a hidden factor that determines the likeliness of a player fouling while playing, whether on defense or offense.

Also, the player's skills has nothing to do with the average fouling and aggression of that player. It's more like when a player is generated and drafted, a random aggression variable is assigned to that player, and that aggression factor remains the same throughout that player's career, regardless of how much he trains or plays.

Don't we have a single team full of goons? Would like to see how they perform.

To me it is more of a con because FTs are the most efficient shot in BB after dunks. I've seen way too many games where the better team lost because they gave up way more FTs than the opponent. Also I think there is very loose evidence an aggressive player will defend more effectively (fewer fouls) when he has better defensive skills. At least at higher skill levels I never seen any difference myself and, even then, it may be that experience increasing has a larger influence than actual defensive skills. Defensive studs who don't foul are amazing.

Ma Anhui has been a foul machine all his career, even when he had 11 OD 18 ID and 18 SB.
http://www.buzzerbeater.com/player/31801722/careerstats.a...

Last edited by Lemonshine at 8/4/2019 6:57:42 AM

They are somewhat usefull:

Buy bunch of these like 7 or 8. Put it in the league game against playoff rival, and hope for injuries. It is quite a high chance. Also you can repeat this in first finals series when you playing abroad. In like season ~16 i have had managed to injury 2 starters of semifinal rival during last round, and promoted cause of that lol.

Other than higher chance of fouls=higher chance of opponent injuries, havent noticed any bennefits. Have had homegrown foul prone, it was sinking the team... no matter the skills.

Last edited by Vilkai [LTU NT] at 8/4/2019 7:10:07 AM

Also I think there is very loose evidence an aggressive player will defend more effectively (fewer fouls) when he has better defensive skills.

I agree there's no evidence at all. All I have is my own experience, which as you already know, is probably more extensive than most people's when it comes to aggressive players. I didn't mean however that they defend better in the sense of fouling less. I meant they block more, steal more, force more misses through defending well. Again, there's no evidence for this, indeed I don't think any evidence is possible. I just feel better if I have aggressive players, especially in the paint.

By the way I'd have loved to have had Anhui. My current Center is somewhat similar. ((http://www.buzzerbeater.com/player/41859243/careerstats.a...))

To me it is more of a con because FTs are the most efficient shot in BB after dunks. I've seen way too many games where the better team lost because they gave up way more FTs than the opponent.

Sorry to reply to you in the wrong order but the other point was the important one. I've lost a lot of games because of FTs. For a long time I had the most foul crazy team in England and FTs were the bane of my existence. I just feel its the price you sometimes have to pay.

So the aggressive players tend to step up when it matters for your team and take responsibility to finish your attack,when the result is very close at the end of games.While I seen managers are complaining that some very good offense players dont like to take responsibility when it must to score.Probably they have low level of aggression.

Liked your whole post but this part is especially interesting as its not something I'd noticed.