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Right - bear with me as I type something Ive just thought of!

Over in the supporters fan base thread it was noted by BB-Forest that the reason for the adjustment is to ensure the higher ranked teams dont gain even further monetary rewards over lower ranked teams.

I suggest that the weekly salary of players be determined by the division they play in. This will mean teams can promote and stay up easier in the higher divisions and reduce the quality gap.

So if Im paying 20k p/w for a player this same player if transferred to a l.2 team would cost them 10k p/w and if a l.3 team bought only 5k p/w, 2.5k for l.4.

Now instead of selling out 15-20,000 stadiums for 10 wins in a row then losing 1 game and seeing 8,000 fans turn up to the next game we can maintain a more realistic average attendence and channel this into the wages of the players. If the formula is fair and this can be distributed correctly the net result should still be similar it would encourage all top teams to increase the size of their stadium... cup runs would be more meaningful (due to av. arena sizes being bigger) and decisions on transfers (to appease the anti DT) would be even more important.

All in all i think this would benefit a lot of the newer teams that find themelves towards the bottom of their domestic ladders. They can train for longer, demand more money from transfer sales and force the people with the money to spend it on infrastructure.

Feel free to add or rip apart my brainwave!

I'm dreading my attendence tonight after seeing a team defend their NT title in a TB watch his attendence go from 19,000 odd to 17,000 odd (2,000 deciding not to show for the TB and clubs most important game) then 1st game of following season 11,300 show up?

How can you possibly plan your wage structure with that sort of variance?

If you have 4000 supporters and you have a good season where do they go? to a team not doing so well because they want to make it fair for all? If you get relegated after winning your NT then fair enough but look at Leeds, Sunderland, Cardiff (football comparison - sorry) These teams have HUGE fan bases when they go down, up down - irrelevant. This has been created over time. Now if they are in l.3 there attendence will go down in line with the division average but the fans wont abscond to another team....

For me being a top team i expect to be making and paying out Big money.. at the moment there is disparity because wages are not high.. this is leading to the inefficiency of so many l.1 series teams as they can storm along without having to really play the game. Buy when they like sell when they like increase stadium if they fancy or not if they cant be bothered. The standard i have seen in most l.2 & l.3 is much higher as they strive to move up the ladder. They have less TV money and there decisions have more impact on their future success/failure. If and when they do promote they will struggle to keep up with cash rich clubs who will simply look where they are lacking and improve.

My idea would force the hand of the higher ranked teams to play the game to a similar level and overall run a more efficient franchise in order to maintain there status.

This seems to be the direction the BB's want to take it by eliminating the cash advantages the big teams enjoy. So instead of limiting the cash we can make... force us to spend more.

Salarys: i don't like this idea because i see teams who don't promote because of the salarys, and i see managers who wonder about the high salary after buying a team from a low division club.

With the fans you are right, a bit more stability would be nice, but the loss of fans in your team was because of they reduce the reward of winning the championship, because this was to high for the game balaced. And in your championshiph hyear you get some addiitionell fans who are leaving you when you was not succesfull.

Salarys: i don't like this idea because i see teams who don't promote because of the salarys, and i see managers who wonder about the high salary after buying a team from a low division club.

The difference doesnt have to be a 100% hike for each level you go up but if a incremental was added this would slow down the feeder club system which i see developing and ensure that teams wishing to promote have a good chance of survival at the first attempt.

If teams dont wish to compete then why are they playing? Stop cup winners from joining the BB3 or introduce a cup version then the only way to be successful is get to the top.

IMO the reason people dont promote is because they dont think they can survive... under this system they wouldnt have to dismantle their squad and whatever the salary raise would be would be offset by the extra income they would make in that division.

In other words if every team has the same ratio of income/outgoings why would you not promote?

maybe they are afraid that they can#t afford their team anymore if they promote, maybe they like to win the cup and for this they need great players which want high salarys and for this maybe it was easier to paly in lower divisions to get good players for a fair salary.

Another point could be the reality, when i was a good player i want to play in better clubs so i was happy with lower salarys in a higher league and would ask for a pretty high salary when i was playing in a way to weak league for me. But this point ain't so big, because should make fun and must not a realistic simulation.

I don't like the salary part.

Better players will get more salary.

It is only normal that the better players play in the gigher divisions.

When you implement the salary sugestion you made, it is very possible a divVII team will have a better team then a DivI team, which is not normal...

If this gets implemented, just fire all players with a wage of 4000 or less that are in the game right now, since no-one will want to play them anymore. Why would anyone, if players wage 6000 and up (in the current situation) become affordable for each team, no matter the Division.

i think ive overshot with the numbers but believe the principle can still work.

the purpose is to help distribute cash in the game more equally - id like to see a way to force the top teams to have to spend more each week as at the moment the margin for error is much higher than a team fighting to stay up in l.3 for example.

We should all make decisions and have success / failure relative to one another no matter which division we are in.

i think this will happen in time ;)

In germany the i leagues pays a lot salaries in comparison to the second league, just the top teams in the second league are nearly equal to the midfield of the first league ... I hope you could understand that.

i think this will happen in time ;)

In germany the i leagues pays a lot salaries in comparison to the second league, just the top teams in the second league are nearly equal to the midfield of the first league ... I hope you could understand that.

exactly. As players will get trained further and further, higher division teams will need more expensive players to compete. When you look at it I had a good chance for the championship in Belgium last year, with players averaging 5,5k wages. In a few seasons division I teams probably need 10k or more on average wages per player to be able to compete, and a few seasons later it will be 20k...
Eventually all will level out and only teams that can succesfully manage income/costs will be able to stay competitive.

Here I'm ;)

I dunno if the BBs really want to reduce the money gap between the divisions because to do that it will be enough to reduce the amount of the TV live. The problem of the difference among the divisions will appear better in a few season and in order to not hurry to change suddenly this system, it should be better to think seriously about this matter from now. I don't have any idea yet...
Of course I should see an advantage playing in the top division, I'm playing to another browsing game where if you wanna stay in the first division you must spend a lot of money but in that game a lot of teams prefer to play in second or third division earning a lot of money climbing the divisions only when they are really rich. This system is not so good cause it's simply not funny. The only solution is to cut the entrances coming from TV bring its to the same level for all the divisions (100k/TV for example) reducing a little bit the "power" of the top teams cause they will have higher salaries with the same entrances, imho

Last edited by ned at 5/12/2008 5:02:23 PM