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From: Nato
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Date: 4/11/2021 6:56:20 AM
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I want to become a great player trainer, I want to make this my specialty and although I am at the beginning of this journey I would like to help you understand basic concepts for many of you.
I wonder if it is possible for a potential 11 player to be a great U21 player and still have the possibility to have the correct training to be a national team player. Today it seems that this is a choice: "U21 or NT?" Because they are very different trainings if you want it to be one of the best.

I also question the quality of the players, training 1v1SF / PF seems extremely beneficial, however, when we reach 21 years old we will have a player with possibly a great attack ( JS, IS ) and one of the defenses but without a pass or shooting distance, is that beneficial for the U21 teams?

From: Nato

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Date: 4/11/2021 7:03:43 PM
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would like your opinion on training players with low potential, let's assume they have 8-9 as for example the player below, how would you train to be a great U21 player?

Age: 18
Height: 6'9"
Potential: 8

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From: AIRFORCE1

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Date: 4/12/2021 1:48:50 AM
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Good trainer and youth trainer for first 2 seasons. Then 1v1 forwards the entire first season, then Inside defense, jump shot forwards, then work with the U21 coach or assistants to see what they want from there. He could be a great PF type for U21.

From: Nato

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Date: 4/12/2021 2:31:17 PM
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but wouldn't this training that you talked about have a low inside shot?

I imagine that the player has 4-6 evolutions in each 1v1 skill in his first season correct?
10 X
X 11
12 X
9 X
X X
If I go to ID and then JS I will have good improvements but what will the IS look like?

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Date: 4/12/2021 2:34:58 PM
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I believe that secondary skills are the big secret here, getting a player with good secondary and decent primaries can be quite effective right? but I have a question, for example, a player with 16-16-16 inside with secondaries below respectable. would it still be more efficient than an inside 14-14-14 with sensational secondary 1v1 for example?

From: AIRFORCE1

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Date: 4/12/2021 11:52:49 PM
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His IS and JS would be about equal if you did 1v1 F and then ID and JSF last. But for U21 specific purposes, they are going to want his ID greater than his IS anyway. You will still build elastics that will help ID before you train it specifically, and once ID is high enough, that will help your IS pop faster as well. I probably went too far on 1v1 Forwards for an entire season. I would do it until handling is 9-10 range for a PF though, and then swap to ID. This way, you will still have time in his 21 year old year to train IS as well. But, I’m willing to bet that the U21 coaches will tell you to train IS last. The best bet, is reach out to them now. In my experience, they are fast to respond and very helpful. I have a SS potential player on the team this year, although he is on the deepest part of the bench, he still made the team! 😁

Last edited by AIRFORCE1 at 4/12/2021 11:53:45 PM

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309084.10 in reply to 309084.9
Date: 4/13/2021 5:38:07 PM
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I think the build of an U21 player is totally dependent on the perspective you're viewing it from.

I'm the England U21 coach so from that point of view, I want someone with as high primaries as possible in his desired position so I have solid options filling the positions on the team. I agree with AirForce that from a training perspective, I'm more interested in ID and RB than IS, I want that trained last if I could have it my way. For a Guard I'd want high OD and then PA for Point Guards and JS/JR for Shooting Guards, as expected.

Looking at it from a different angle as a manager of my own team, I'm ALWAYS training 1v1 forwards for the whole of their first season, no matter the trainee. I think the added bonus you get from the elastic effect is worth spending time building a trainees HA, DR, IS and JS. With the added extra of a youth trainer, you can get upwards of 20+ pops a season, which is a staggering amount. For your own team you also want more rounded players and starting off with 1v1 allows this.