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What do you think is the best defense? I have the feeling, without really being able to explain it, that I have more success with a 3-2 defense than with an M2M or Box+1 outside. It's not like I have any special defenders. What do I need for a good defense, whether inside or outside? And what do I need specifically for 3-2 or 2-3? Perhaps you have some tips and help.

the responses are almost infinite.

what matters is the identity that you want to give your team. I had an extensive experience at B3 level with centers who had ID SB RB 58 (excluding IS) and had high OD, also at nt level and i can attest that such players are excellet for 3-2 but at a much higher level i realised a different mix would have been better. alternatively there was one of the more impressive b3 winners who had a team suited around 2-3 which is much harder to attain.

ideally you build your team around what you have, then purchase and develop in order to have some flexiblity.

but if ther is one constant, at the highest level, the average OD for a good defensive player is id22 not od 20 or 19, but as i ve said it depends on the specific needs and context.

What team was that . If it ok can you post the match . Thank you

https://www.buzzerbeater.com/match/120789297/boxscore.aspx

Thank you so much. A player had 46 points. Do you think could get a inside defense that high. I saw about 18 average rating with the team.

You could but, It's harder to achieve than OD. Simply because it's more expensive. Also current meta is around perimeter offense, with rim defenders / blockers in the team who also have high OD.

So the team comps look mostly that all 5 players have very high OD. Perimeter players have also really high JS JR HA DR and ok PA.
Inside players are what you call SB bigs, they have high ID RB SB PA, low IS low DR (so they don't shoot often and successfully pass to perimeter)

This is purely because of economy aspect of the game. PF/C with IS ID SB RB all over 20 would probably have over 300k salary.

Whereas similar stats outside player with similar stats for OD JS HA DR (JR isn't really that much impactful) will have 200k-250k salary.

So basically, you are creating team, which is more expensive in general salary wise. And also focuses on ID when there is no inside attack to defend.

Also it has to be mentioned (it's in game engine part of manual) OD has more impact on defense of specific positions than ID. PF benefits from OD more than SF does from ID and also, OD for bigs is basically free, doesn't impact salary.

It would be amazing though to find a loophole where inside team would be effective and abuse 3-2. But it's swimming against strong current of META

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"I appreciate your astute observation that the current meta favors perimeter-oriented teams. However, I'd like to offer a contrarian perspective, grounded in the game's historical context. By perusing archived forum discussions, I've gleaned that inside offenses and run-and-gun strategies once dominated the meta. This suggests that the game's balance has shifted over time, perhaps in response to community feedback and design iterations.

"Your point about the economic benefits of slimming down the team is well-taken. Nevertheless, I remain convinced that a more expensive, well-rounded approach can yield superior results. The team composition you mentioned, with its emphasis on inside defense, resonates with me. I've observed that this setup can effectively counter perimeter-centric teams, particularly when coupled with strategic player rotations and clever defensive schemes.

"I'm intrigued by the 2-3 matchup, and I'd love to explore this further. The interplay between inside and outside defense ratings is fascinating, and I suspect that a more nuanced understanding of these dynamics could reveal novel strategies.

"In conclusion, while I acknowledge the merits of your argument, I also firmly believe that a more expensive, balanced approach can be a winning formula. I'd be delighted to continue this discussion, exploring the intricacies of team composition and the game's meta."

Previously yes, Look inside was really strong. But then there was nerf of bigs, where their salaries increased. Thus meta shifted.

I'm really big fan of trying new stuff, so I hope it works for you. But it will be rough.

I'm thinking about 1-3-1 myself, which is in my opinion bigger meta killer. But the team will need to balance out decrease of rebounds, which are drawback of this strat.

FCP could work too, with lot of blocks

Im fascinated by the 1-3-1 formation's potential to revolutionize defensive strategy.

"Could you enlighten me on how blocking functions within this framework? Does it operate as an independent stat, influencing the defense's overall effectiveness?

"Moreover, I'm intrigued by the possibility of pairing the 1-3-1 defense with the Princeton offense. Given the Princeton offense's emphasis on perimeter passing,, and intelligent ball movement, it seems to naturally complement the 1-3-1's rebounding-agnostic approach. Would this synergy enable teams to capitalize on the 1-3-1's strengths while mitigating its rebounding limitations?

"Lastly, I'm curious about the financial implications of implementing such a strategy. Would the required player development and team construction necessitate a more expensive team composition?"

I didn't really do any financial estimations on my side.
But players who could fit into this roster are quite rare. I think to complement lack of rebounding in 1-3-1, you'd need a roster with high overall rebounding.
In my head SB helps with lack of rebounding in defense, because you have to expect losing on rebounding most of matches. That means more shots from oponent which can be mitigated by SB.

But I was also toying with Princeton or some outside tactic to complement 1-3-1. Which is in general weaker than inside offense vs most common 3-2, but most of the teams playing it are playing SB bigs, so you don't really need the 2 inside, since their bigs are not offensive threat. So cheaper outside offense should be enough to push through.

Creating team like this will take couple of years, it might even be homegrown which is even harder. I think you need standart 2x SB OD ID bigs and standart perimeter attackers, but you need more RB in every position plus SB on perimeter.

Thinking about this, it might be too much for player potentials even if not playing princeton which also needs solid passing.

I guess we'll see in 3-4 years how it played out :-D

"Thank you for your thought-provoking response. I appreciate the depth of your analysis, particularly your emphasis on the importance of high inside defense, outside defense, passing, handling, from a defensive perspective.

"Your observation that the 1-3-1 defense would benefit from bigs with high ID (Interior Defense) is well-rounded .It's intriguing that you mention bigs can get ID for free in conversations before , now which I see underscores the value of having dominant interior defenders. Also wouldn't buying players help, since you only need a few things and SB won't need to be trained?

"Regarding shot blocking on guards, you raise a valid point. While shot blocking is often associated with interior defenders, perimeter players with high shot blocking abilities can be highly effective in disrupting opponents' shooting. However, I'm curious to know more about your thoughts on this topic, particularly regarding the relative importance of shot blocking on guards versus forwards and centers.

I have a question about defensive attributes for 'driving' if any exist.. While driving is often consider a offensive thing. Do you assume or know if there any defensive merits to driving ?

Thank you for sharing your insights. Your perspectives have added significant depth to our discussion, and you don't wait 3 year send a friendly . We can start there ☺️.