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326265.5 in reply to 326265.4
Date: 1/4/2025 5:51:25 AM
white snake
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Black Forest Boars
Defense Bigs are more or less the only players, who can stop the guards which you describe. There are so many JS, OD, HA, DR, IS guards with "green" skills, that you need bigs with ID and SB 20-23 to stop them. And even than, I still find the gap of the defensive successs vs. the offensive success too big. There should be more blocks from the elite defenders.

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326265.6 in reply to 326265.1
Date: 1/4/2025 10:23:51 AM
QQguest
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(I lack experience in top-level competition, so my views on tactics may be wrong.)

In my opinion, a 3-2 zone defense, when paired with two defense-specialized players, becomes without weakness.
Against such an opponent, no offensive strategy will have a high shooting percentage unless there are stronger offensive players.
Not only does the opponent's defense have no weaknesses, but their offense is also versatile, capable of attacking both inside and outside.
This leaves us with no advantage in defensive setups or predicting their tactics.

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326265.8 in reply to 326265.7
Date: 1/5/2025 12:36:45 AM
QQguest
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Thank you for your response.
I believe the players I discussed in (326265.6) match what you described as elite, high-skilled players.
Defense-specialized players: high OD, Ha, Pa, ID, (Re), and SB.
Offensive players: high JS, OD, Ha, Dr, and IS.

Even with the best players, I think (or guess) there are still weaknesses in a 2-3 zone defense that can be exploited.
In contrast to the 2-3 zone defense, I feel that the 3-2 zone defense, having no weaknesses, is overpowered.

As for offensive tactics, I’d like to add one point: the S66 B3 champion and their opponent have already demonstrated how to use the Inside Offense tactic (132502195).

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326265.9 in reply to 326265.8
Date: 1/5/2025 1:34:27 AM
Team Infinity
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The main cause of this issue is that OD has a greater influence in the game engine compared to other attributes. Regardless of whether the opposing team employs inside offense tactic, outside offense tactic, or balanced offense tactic, OD is frequently used in offensive and defensive calculations. The 3-2 zone defense amplifies the impact of OD, making this defensive formation appear almost without weaknesses.

Similarly, the 1-3-1 zone defense, which also increases the influence of OD, suffers from the negative effect of excessively reducing rebounding ability. This can result in the team giving up too many offensive possessions, making it even less balanced compared to the 3-2 zone defense. Therefore, the 1-3-1 zone is typically only considered when the team's rebounding ability is significantly better than the opponent's.

The 2-3 zone defense, on the other hand, attempts to sacrifice some OD to enhance ID. However, the increased rebounding ability may not necessarily translate into scoring opportunities and could still fail to secure rebounds. As a result, the 2-3 zone defense is generally suitable only for countering inside offensive tactics.

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326265.10 in reply to 326265.2
Date: 1/5/2025 10:33:36 AM
Croissant
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I personally agree with BusterKeaton

try won WC in this way...for NT blockers aren't meta.

I mean China just won the WC, playing 32, with this as their starting bigman (51300047)
Now is he the reason they won? Probably not
But you wanted someone to win the WC.. there you go
And Lithuania played 32 too, although i didn't check if they had Shot Blocking Big or not

Ans in s64 we had a similar thing i believe, you guys from Poland managed to beat Hong Kong both playing an Outside Box with a defensive big (which let's be honest, it's just a "variation" of the 32 zone)



And yes i also agree with you when you say this for clubs all salaries need rebuild not only rework few skills
However that doesn't mean that if there's an "easy fix" that you can't fix that one thing for the moment and work on the others such as JR, PA, IS on guards etc in the meantime...

ID20 BS20 RB20 IS8 salary is nearly 200k

True, a 8-20-20-20 guy would cost around 190k however.... first of all that isn't a max build since you can find 22-19-25 guys on the market, and secondly a 20-20-20-8 not only it's impossible to create due the the cap restriction, but it would cost roughly 425k.. proving the point that BusterKeaton is making