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From: ned
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44777.1
Date: 8/14/2008 6:25:18 AM
Freccia Azzurra
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Slaytanic
Just an info about the fans; I've lost in game 3 the promotion to the first division, I'm one of the first 16 teams in the Italian cup and I've closed the last tournament with a score of 19 games won and 3 lost. I'd like also to say that I had a PR lvl 10 for all the last season (he never drops), now I've an increasing of 300 fans. Question number one is if you think that after a similar season 300 fans more is acceptable and number 2, I never understood what PR is doing, now I know that he doesn't worth his salary but he influences also the fan basis or not? The fan survey is related also to his lvl?
Thanks


PS: A suggestion for the newby that are reading this post; don't waste your money with PR and draft, only if you want to arrive in the last position of the championship put 5k/week to the draft

1990-2022 Stalinorgel - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pV-Xppl6h8Et
From: Pallu

To: ned
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44777.2 in reply to 44777.1
Date: 8/14/2008 7:39:11 AM
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There definetely is a ceiling in how many fans one team can have regarding the division level. You have obviously been performing excellent with your team so that you have come close to this ceiling. Congratulations on this performance! Once on top you can even lose fans, a luxury problem...

In my opinion you maybe shouldn't advise newbies when in the same post you are asking for advice yourself to understand a system. Maybe a level 10 PR is too high for a newby. But in your case he definetely helped you to reach the ceiling quickly.

Cheers





From: ned

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44777.3 in reply to 44777.2
Date: 8/14/2008 9:30:25 AM
Freccia Azzurra
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I don't ask if the PR must be lvl 1 or 10, I'd like only to know what I've asked, for sure a lvl 10 Pr is too high for a newby as for people that fights in the first division.
If you remeber last season there was a bug in the fan basis and the new introduction of fan survey is not explained well so I ask what is not written in the rules but I also advice everyone to not waste money in the PR if he has the same "influence" of last season. ;)

1990-2022 Stalinorgel - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pV-Xppl6h8Et
From: Pallu

To: ned
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44777.4 in reply to 44777.3
Date: 8/14/2008 11:44:36 AM
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At the end of the day we are all just guessing...

Cheers Mate

;-)

From: Shoei

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44777.5 in reply to 44777.4
Date: 8/15/2008 12:33:47 AM
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again a blind man leading a blind man!

together what do they accomplish . . . . nothing

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44777.6 in reply to 44777.5
Date: 8/15/2008 1:58:40 AM
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I believe some are slightly less blind than others and their advice is helpful to many, especially newbies. To tell a newbie not to invest in the draft is questionable, and more the reactionary opinion of an unhappy user than unbiased advice.

I would tell newbies to spend as much as they can afford on the draft so they have the best chance of getting a quality pick since it is highly likely they will finish low in their league if they are new to the game.

As far a PR guy goes, I have a level 10 and generally rake in between 39 and 50 grand per week. I don't know how much a level 4 guy would get me and whether it would be a better net gain since the salary would be lower. I am not willing to test the waters because I am happy with my 18-29k net profit from jerseys, t-shirts, bobbleheads, and mouse pads.

Once I scored a basket that still makes me laugh.
From: ned

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44777.7 in reply to 44777.5
Date: 8/15/2008 5:27:31 AM
Freccia Azzurra
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So, no one can answer to my questions?

Thanks Master

1990-2022 Stalinorgel - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pV-Xppl6h8Et
From: Pallu

To: ned
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44777.8 in reply to 44777.7
Date: 8/20/2008 12:13:34 PM
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So, no one can answer to my questions?

Thanks Master :)


Some of us had the impression these weren't really questions but rather statements ;-)

"Question number one is if you think that after a similar season 300 fans more is acceptable"

Yes. The system includes a soft ceiling for fan growth - and grace to your good management you have come close to it.

"and number 2, I never understood what PR is doing, now I know that he doesn't worth his salary but he influences also the fan basis or not? The fan survey is related also to his lvl?"

a) Influence fan basis: Yes.

b) Fan survey related to PR level: yes, indeed. The rules mention in the fan survey section, that a good PR can influence the fan's perception of the team's achievements.

The relevant quote from the rules concerning number of fans and their behaviour:

"When BuzzerBeater fans don't like the way you are running your team, they are less likely to buy merchandise and attend your games. Even worse, some of them will change loyalties and support competing teams! Conversely, fans will reward a well-run team with their attention, and their money. A skilled PR-Manager may be able to help fans focus more on your team's achievements, and less on its shortcomings."

Last edited by Pallu at 8/20/2008 12:15:04 PM

From: ned

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44777.9 in reply to 44777.8
Date: 8/20/2008 12:42:32 PM
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First of all, thanks ;)

About 1) ok 300 new fans but why other teams with worst position in championship and out from the cup before me have got more fans than me? This is really strange.

a) Thanks even if linked to the point 1 it sounds more than really strange cause I had a lvl 10 PR all the last season
b) Thanks a lot; I didn't understand if the PR has an influence or if a low PR lvl can give you wrong information, thanks ;)

1990-2022 Stalinorgel - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pV-Xppl6h8Et
From: Pallu

To: ned
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44777.10 in reply to 44777.9
Date: 8/20/2008 6:37:30 PM
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About 1) ok 300 new fans but why other teams with worst position in championship and out from the cup before me have got more fans than me? This is really strange.


some more matches.
If in an identical situation with you they shouldn't receive more.

But take my team for example: I received ~750 new fans, much more than you. But I started from 1.100 so I had some "reserves". Being in D.II now, I am still one of the weaker teams in terms of STH.

Last season I won the Championship in D.III and had some other good matches. But to me a e.g. 4th place in D.II is the higher achievement and I would be happy to take that for this season. And yes, even though I value that higher, I would probably receive less new fans for that. Because I would no longer be that much below average STH than before and because probably I lost some matches more.

Basically I agree with the system that there is a corridor for each type of division (also for the top), determinatingg how much fans are adequate and possible for a certain division. Otherwise a serial runner-up in division IV would on the long run have more fans than a struggling Top-Division team.

From: Pallu

To: ned
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44777.11 in reply to 44777.9
Date: 8/22/2008 11:50:51 AM
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Hey ned,

one more: (40617.549) (from BB-Charles, he read our thoughts).

Worth reading it all, but it already starts with:

"It's probably worth mentioning the skill of your PR guy when trying to look at attendance. Some top teams invest heavily and some do not, and his skill definitely affects the formulas."

Cheers
Pallu