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I have this potential 10+ player since 2 seasons and he pops *&%" all... seriously. i've been training him single training a lot and my all-star player is popping all the way...

my only conclusion could be that either the training this week is ****** again, (lots remained on game shape 7, although they've played 48-60 mins..) or the 193cm's of my player is just too high to train. but hell.. those 10 cm's too much are REALLY significant when it comes to training outside positions.. please nurf that or something!

EDIT: Watch your language

Last edited by Edju at 12/5/2008 11:03:31 AM

ok mate... first off all training is delayed :) so he might still pop.

Secondly, noone knows how big an influence length has on training speeds for players, but everyone agrees it has influence. From my own experience I am experiencing the same thing as you are experiencing. I am training guards. I have bought a MVP guard last season, not knowing that height is an issue. I also bought perennial allstars and some superstars. The other players are all what people consider the correct height for guards. and my MVP guard is too tall. I can notice he is training slower than the rest. It is still early days, but a skill pop or two a season, you do miss out on. Over a training period off 3-4 years and with slower pops I reckon he will miss out on 3-4 skill pops. Quite a lot. Most off my 6 trainees are between 188 cm and 190 and my MVP is 198. Your player with great potential is also a little bit too tall for what most people on the forums consider ideal...

I dont know what I notice is just a feeling or if it is the truth, and if what people are saying is set in concrete stone, it is still early days when it comes to players real potentials etc Be assured though that my trainees in the future will be better balanced when it comes to potential and length. I think a player with 1 or 2 potential levels less and the correct height will train better than a player with higher potential and the wrong height...

actually potential has NO influence at all on training until the limit of a player's capacity is reached.

players with a higher potential can keep getting much better from training longer then players with low potential.

an example to clarify:

2 identical players, 1 with potential 10, the other potential 3. Everything else is the same, they get the same training every week:
at first both players will raise equally, so they will be equally good for a time. then, they come to a level where the potential 3 player has reched his limit. At this time, both players are still equally good and perform equally good on the court.
From then on the level 3 player will only improve very little, while the potential 10 player still improves with big steps. A litle later the potential 10 player will be much better then the potential 3 player.

i totally understand... but not sure why you mention this in this post... this guy is asking why his highest potential player is training slower than other trainees with lower potential and with same age... I have experienced the same thing happening. Most likely because he doesn´t have the correct height for his training/position. Yes one player with lower potential might be fully trained or start training slower at a certain age, but that is not relevant for this player is it? I am also very sure that at the age off 20, having starter or star potential you havent reached your max skill set yet or start training slower already... That would be crazy imo.

I am even sure that neither off us said or believe that player potential makes a player train faster either :) Anyway, it is nice to see people trying to help. But this isn´t the first time people try to help and post not so relevant stuff in the post and it makes it all so much more difficult...

actually it is VERY relevant.

s you said, he asked why his higher potential player trains slower.
If I read that, I think he is of the belief that a higher potential player should train faster. And that is a common misunderstanding. That is why I explained how potential works.

:)

true... than it makes sense :) he should now know that height is relevant how fast a player trains and potential isnt. :) What a team work. Like a great pass and a fantasic alley oop. (or however you write it)

:)

With all the explanation it looks more like a missed dunk on three second violation now:)

sounds good...

so to be fair really... whether you have a 180cm SG with potential 7 and a 193cm SG with potential 10+ ; they're quite equal, since it just takes aaaaaages for the 193 guy to train, so you have a 21 yrd SG with crazy skills, cuz he's been trained for 3 seasons. or have a 21 yrd SG with 10 pot with ok skills, although he's been trained for 3 seasons, now he's older, but compensates with his potential. reaching an age of about 23.. things should balance out 7 and 10 pot players, with the difference of 2-3 seasons.

just one BIG problem here: Time value of money. I rather have that 7'er pot awesome player than a slacky 10+ one. Thinking of selling maybe the only swiss all time great player is sad though :/

yes. if you are in a building team stage and planning to sell your crop of trainees once or twice before really trying to get promoted like I did in hattrick, the guy with high(est) potentials that are too tall for their position might should be avoided. but you could sell all your other trainees and keep your super potential guy and keep training him. I am not planning to get promoted for another few years and don't take much care for the league and results, that way I can train 6 trainees a week... Enough players to sell.