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From: acarl
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Date: 12/17/2008 9:32:43 PM
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I have a question on tactics: when is it beneficial to push the ball, and when is it counterproductive? When is a slower pace effective?

There are two teams in the great 8 that I will be going up against in the near future that always play push the ball and seem to be doing well with it (beating computerized opponents by 30 or 40 or even 50 points). I play base offense and have better overall ratings than them, and yet I finish with much lower score ranges. I would really like to beat them, and figure that I should based on ratings, but am wondering how the push the ball fits into this and what I can do against them.

From: Astragoth

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Date: 12/18/2008 6:17:52 AM
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i might be wrong, but I think I got almost hammered by an opponent that also played push the ball. it generates turn overs. so teams that have poor "handling" skills will be severely punished when they have poor handling skills. As I am sure you can imagine, computerized teams have weak handling skills so push the ball is a decent option to use. (this is most likely why they score more points than you against compurerized teams, wouldnt have to mean they are better than you are)

Look at the game I played on the 22nd off November and guess what players have bad handling skills :)

ps I didnt reread the rules section so I might be wrong... doubt it, but would double check the rules section and check out the tactics bit. It explains quite well what it does.

From: Mannen

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Date: 12/18/2008 8:01:59 AM
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I think it´s better to increase pace if you are the better team, but like the other reply implies "full court press" could greatly increase your turnovers.

/Mannen
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Date: 12/18/2008 9:36:49 AM
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Here is my take on things, a higher pace will, all things being equal:

-diminish the quality of the looks you get
-increase the number of turnovers you make
-increase the number of shots you take

Based on that, you can think about how to counteract a push the ball offense. My current thinking is:

-if a team has a bad offensive flow, load up on players with high outside d. Then play a full court press. The high number of turnovers will likely do the team in.
-beat them in rebounding by a significant margin. They should, all things being equal, miss more shots. If they get no second chances, you should do fine.

Of course, if your defense and rebounding sucks you are out of luck no matter what. That's why the strategy works well for them vs the bots.

A sidenote: a player can make turnovers with bad handling OR bad passing.

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64759.5 in reply to 64759.4
Date: 12/18/2008 12:08:52 PM
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about the quality of the shots, i would say a fast pace was better because slow paced tactic becomes often trouble with the clock which leads to pretty bad shots.

From: Daheavy
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Date: 12/18/2008 4:43:11 PM
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look i push the ball and i use full court press all it does is speed up the game when the other team scores your PG will just push the ball up the court fast and look for the first good shot now full court press is man to man full court so yoru following your man the whole game and it forces turnovers because they might get lazy and throw a dumb pass and because your guardin your man at all times a lazy pass will result in a steal = turnover. if u have a good pg with decent ball handlin skills u can use run and gun and push the ball, if your pg can dribble u will do well agaisnt full court press. all teams should be able to dribble and pass well if not full court press will kill u and pushin the ball would not be good for u

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Date: 12/18/2008 4:45:51 PM
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about the quality of the shots, i would say a fast pace was better because slow paced tactic becomes often trouble with the clock which leads to pretty bad shots.


That is indeed true - thanks for mentioning it.

Run of the Mill Canadian Manager
From: acarl

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64759.9 in reply to 64759.7
Date: 12/20/2008 1:43:59 AM
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so what you are saying is this:

for teams with a good PG, pushing the ball or run and gun will help since you will get more shots in the game

in regards to dealing with a team that uses push the ball, if you've got good defense, throw a full court press on them in order to mess them up and create turnovers

the way to beat a full court press is to make sure that your PG has good handling skills (dribbling)

Am I right so far?

What is the bare minimum requirement of stamina in the case of a FCP? How much handling does the PG need to have a good chance of beating the FCP? And what skills do my guys need to have to successfully push the ball?

From: CrazyEye

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Date: 12/20/2008 4:09:14 AM
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the way to beat a full court press is to make sure that your PG has good handling skills (dribbling)


you could also force around 10 TO from your bigguys, so you should have passing and handling in the whole team.

in regards to dealing with a team that uses push the ball, if you've got good defense, throw a full court press on them in order to mess them up and create turnovers


when you got a good defense, you could also defend their throws ... Which is in my eyes more promising, cause with a press you give then pretty much easy baskets and second chanche chanches.

From: acarl

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64759.11 in reply to 64759.10
Date: 12/20/2008 8:20:08 AM
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yeah, I see what you mean. It worked well tonight for me: I scored 130 points while my opponent didn't get above 80 points. I didn't get to watch the live fully, but in the first quarter, I watched one bit where I shot five times, missed the first 4, stole the ball back, and finally put it in. I'm wondering if a FCP will work well against the Great 8 leader and Great 8 3rd placer.

Any chance you would be willing to take a look at my match from tonight and compare how it changed my ratings as opposed to previous matches, and if it was the right choice for me?