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65540.1
Date: 12/24/2008 1:53:11 AM
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Hi all,

This is my seasonal thread about offensive flow and how to use it.
Every season I start this thread with the hope that the knowledge of the community increased since the previous thread but get no decent answer.

My team has the best offensive flow in the league. I'm usually between 6 high to 7 high, but yet, don't get many assists, my FGP is pretty bad. The only statistical advantage I get over the other teams is a low amount of turn overs. But still, it's doesn't make me win games because of the bad FGP.
Take my latest match for example (8601637). Can anyone tell me how could I use my offensive flow to win this game?
FCP is out of the question as the other team is much better at rebounding.
other suggestions are highly welcome.
Thanks,
yaniv

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65540.2 in reply to 65540.1
Date: 12/24/2008 12:25:00 PM
Estrela Kings
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You lose last game because your team had much less rebounds than your opponent.The %FG was more or less the same as well assists.
You usually play Base offense.I think you should play Run and Gun: you are very strong at outside shooting.Then you must have C and PF with good rebounds. I suppose when we´re attacking essentially through outside shootimgs there can be more lost shoots and then we should have players with good rebound skill.
That´s what I think.
I hope it can help you.

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65540.3 in reply to 65540.1
Date: 12/24/2008 5:51:50 PM
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I need to know something about your team... How much passing do you have? Maybe you are getting a good OF because your outside players have a nice handling... That will explain your OF, the low percentage of turnovers and, perhaps, no adventaje with assists

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65540.4 in reply to 65540.3
Date: 12/24/2008 10:12:57 PM
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I am under the impression from what I have read that offensive flow has much to do with passing and handling skills. If you have great passers and handlers you will get great flow, but if your shooting is bad, it will become low FGP and assists. You get a great OF with some better shooters, it should help the assists.

To relate to HT, its like having great playmaking, and bad scorers.

There are two elements to scoring an assist, the pass, and the shot. With good flow you got the pass part, but with low FG% your passees just arent getting the shot in the bucket.

Last edited by Heathcoat at 12/24/2008 10:18:47 PM

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65540.5 in reply to 65540.3
Date: 12/25/2008 1:24:47 AM
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Hi,

My players are amazing passers...
The PG - 14
SG - 10
The SF in the last match (my second PG usually) was 12 and I usually play with an SF with 7 at passing.
handling skills are pretty similar to the passing skills.
My inside players are 5 and 6 BTW but this as I understand has very minor or no effect on the offensive flow rating (but of course adds more assists in the game).

So,
I believe my offensive flow is high because of both - passing and handling but still only the rating is high but when it comes to the real game - it sucks...

about my shooters - I believe their pretty good, as seen from the team ratings.
E.g. my PG is 12-9, SG 14-9 from the outside but yet, I can't get them to shot with decent FGP even against average-strong defenders. (The good FGP of my SG in the last match was an exception - his season average is pretty bad)

As I said earlier, I feel like this only makes me lose less possessions. My FGP is not improved by the better passing skills since teams with much worse passers get the same or even better FGP with similar or worse shooters.


Last edited by yanivsag at 12/25/2008 1:36:41 AM

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65540.6 in reply to 65540.2
Date: 12/25/2008 1:34:15 AM
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Thanks,
But if I'd played run and gun I would immediately make everyone defend 3-2 against me and last season it caused me some losses.
Any way, my thread is more about how to make my team score better, having great passers. Do you think faster tactics would make better shots? I've started playing base offense after failing to play push the ball for example.


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65540.7 in reply to 65540.6
Date: 12/25/2008 6:08:15 AM
Estrela Kings
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I didn´t see your games so I´ll just give my opinion teorically. I think every team should have an attack strategy based where it is stronger. If you look good at outside shooting you should have your wingmen with the most shoots.
Answering directly to your question, I think that how long it takes to a certain shoot, more pressure you have because the clock is running against, so the player could miss much more times (in real basket this doesn´t happen - the coaches want teams to shoot not very fast). That´s the essence of BB.Here you should have attacks with faster pace and also you have less chances of turnovers. And TO make all the difference when teams are very levelled in a game.

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65540.8 in reply to 65540.7
Date: 12/25/2008 7:54:43 AM
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So what you're saying is that slower tactics are still practically useless, although the BBs published they've changed the game engine in favor of this tactics a bit.
As I understood from what you said, no one can use them because it would lead to shot clock pressured shots which eliminates the affect of being a more controlled shots.
I can only say that from my experience this season and previous seasons, I hardly see the difference the BBs were talking about.

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65540.9 in reply to 65540.8
Date: 12/25/2008 9:50:17 AM
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hmmm. would like to know how you meassure this "difference". The 7th season is only half way and the old system has been used for several seasons. So first off all what games did you compare and also what are the exact stats/skills/things you looked at/compared?

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65540.10 in reply to 65540.8
Date: 12/25/2008 3:12:41 PM
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I can only say that from my experience this season and previous seasons, I hardly see the difference the BBs were talking about.


We do not have a lot of information, but that can be a reasonable explanation.

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65540.11 in reply to 65540.9
Date: 12/26/2008 3:10:35 AM
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This was, of course my own observation from based on the games played so far this season.
Using a slower tactic, with my passers and handler didn't cause any improvement to my FGP and still, my team gets the same amount of assists, which compared to other teams in my league is very low, even teams with a much worse offensive flow.